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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It facilitates it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are getting there. The other scheme did not allow or facilitate it. This scheme allows and facilitates it. It may not be actively be promoted but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----to be clear to the Deputy and those watching it is important to know that the new scheme facilitates and supports that. That is the essential point I want to make on that. Deputy Burke is next, Deputy Madigan having left the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Before we go into the second round, I wish to put a few points to Mr. McCarthy. This is a legacy issue and may not be an issue for the Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government. Some people have still not paid non-principal private residence tax. The answer to a recent parliamentary question indicated that €30 million was collected last year. With fines...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is collected by Revenue. I am told the local authority-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am talking about the second home tax.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Where is that collected?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand that. Who collects it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Where does the money go?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Ms O'Donoghue seems to be indicating my figures are in the correct region. That was an extra €30 million coming into local authorities, which is good, but it is bonus money for them if they get it. Does the Department take into account how much each local authority collects on this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department have a breakdown by local authority?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy will get us a list by local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it kind of bonus income for the local authorities? If it comes, it comes. It is a windfall gain if they get it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is still being collected at that rate. Given that €35 million is coming in per annum, has anyone in the Department calculated what is out there. It is probably a contingent asset. This phrase has come up about contingent asset - the Social Insurance Fund - but it is now clear to me that there is a stream of income of €30 million to €35 million per annum. That...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: What is it doing to try to collect what is obviously out there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it correct to say there is no mechanism to actively collect any moneys?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: If someone is not selling a property and it stays within the family, it might never come to light even though there is €7,000 due in that case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. McCarthy happy with it being dealt with in that way? Based on the €30 million last year, we are satisfied that there is money to be collected and is being collected. It is being handed in without anybody asking for it. Should someone in the Department not try to talk to the Revenue Commissioners and compare it with LPT and try to do some matching to see if it is possible to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Some 400,000-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: ----- are paying it.

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