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Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Summer Economic Statement (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That is understood. President Joe Biden, who visited us last month, is famous for saying, "Don't tell me what you ... [care about]. Show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you ... [care about]". That very much applies to the ongoing work on the wellbeing framework in the Department. It is an important piece work in breaking out of that siloed thinking we see inhibiting progress across...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Summer Economic Statement (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The Minister of State referenced that we will integrate the wellbeing framework into key points in the budgetary process. The logical key point in the budgetary process is the summer economic statement, which really begins to set out the parameters for the following budget in October. I would like an explicit statement based on the wellbeing framework to be included in that process.

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Consultations (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: 9. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the steps his Department is taking to progress Ireland's open government national action plan 2023-2025 following the public consultation; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21384/23]

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Consultations (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We recently had a public call for submissions on Ireland's fourth open government national action plan under four thematic areas: transparency and accountability in public office; citizen decision-making; public access to Government data; and strengthening public trust in Government. I want to ask about the follow-up steps we are taking, how we will implement those and when we are likely to...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Consultations (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I mention the OECD better life initiative, which closely shadows what our well-being indices will look like here. Under that initiative it is the civic engagement score that we rank lowest on. For some reason Irish people feel quite distant from their Government and I suspect that is to do with the under-empowering of local government for a number of years. That needs to be remediated,...

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Departmental Consultations (11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The Minister of State specifically referenced the citizens' assemblies and I was going to reference them. That is a great model of participative and deliberative democracy but we need to see that transformed into action. We need to have some sort of process whereby recommendations of citizens' assemblies are put in place. We ask these 99 citizens to give of their time and they generally...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I thank the many officials for attending and for their opening statements. While I know other Deputies have done so already, it is worth thinking back to the context for this. We were faced with an unprecedented global pandemic and the political landscape was such that we were in an interregnum. We had held a general election but a new government had not been formed. That is probably...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It took some time to figure out that the information was available in some format, somewhere. Is that right? It was not immediately at the HSE's fingertips when the executive went to procure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: If we are still in a situation where our lists of assets are being maintained on a hospital by hospital basis, does that mean we have duplication of assets and the possible under-utilisation of those assets? If we had oversight by the HSE or the Department of Health of where exactly our assets are, we could sweat those assets or at least make sure that they are properly deployed and utilised...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We have had the HSE for a long time.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I want to go back to the spilt milk component. We are talking about a sum of €30 million where no benefit or value has been received from its expenditure. At the time of reporting, €22.3 million was still being pursued. Is there any update on that since the time of reporting? What proportion of that can the taxpayer realistically expect to see a return on?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It is entirely reasonable for Mr. Gloster to say that the HSE does not want to write off any of that in the context of legal proceedings but there must be some expectation, without referencing any individual, because I am sure that is over a number of individual pots. That said, I can grudgingly accept that Mr. Gloster is not in a position to state how much we can expect to recover. In...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Did they come through one of the companies that due diligence was done on or one of the companies that it was not done on?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Is Mr. Mulvany saying that the 102 ventilators came from multiple sources?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Is Mr. Mulvany telling me that, across multiple orders, a certain proportion or percentage of the ventilators within each batch was found not to be up to scratch? As I read 102 ventilators, I thought that must have been one consignment, we got it from one place and it was the wrong place to source it from, but he is telling me now that a certain percentage of multiple batches were found not...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Because time against is me, I want to put a quick question to the Department of Health. It was known that only an additional 326 ventilators could be deployed because ventilators do not operate on their own; they need to operate within a hospital system, with a bed and all the supporting staff around them. Yet 1,900 ventilators were sanctioned. That is quite apart from the fact that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It was the Department that asked for a sanction of 3,500, which was double the 1,900.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The Department placed orders-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It is 1,900 versus 326. I would accept that kind of argument if it were 326 versus 500.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: But we had a finite number of staff.

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