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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am trying to assist and mean no disrespect to the Commissioner. I am sorry.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I did not feel that. We are both on the same passage and need to get to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: That would have gone to an assistant commissioner.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I welcome Commissioner Callinan. Why does he think the whistleblowers went to such lengths? The ordinary person looking at this issue will wonder why they did it, as it had an impact on their jobs. Why were there two whistleblowers in the Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Who issues the P60 Mr. Jermyn gets at the end of the year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Who employs the other two people?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Jermyn accept Mr. O'Brien's point that in those circumstances if they continue to work for a P60 from St. Vincent’s University Hospital and that if they continue to get income from the private hospital at the same time, they are not in compliance with pay guidelines?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Do the other two people continue to receive income from the private hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What view will the HSE take if the income the other two individuals receive from the private hospital is not discontinued?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What will be the consequences for St. Vincent’s if it does not comply?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: When does Mr. O’Brien expect the discussions to be concluded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Could Mr. O’Brien give me a deadline date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Are there any other matters that are sticking points in terms of reaching agreement? St. Vincent’s does great work. What happens in the committee is never personal. This is a job we have to do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: In the interest of the St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group and the wider health service I wish everyone well. I wish a speedy conclusion for everyone who uses the service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to touch on a couple of other points. As chairman of the board, will Professor Whelan indicate why there was so much secrecy? Clearly, the group is now in discussions with the HSE. Why all the secrecy? Why was a dawn raid made on Christmas Eve in the context of the announcement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I am just asking why-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: We have seen the letters and we are aware that the group was dragged - kicking and screaming - into the process. Why did it fight so hard on the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: If it is bringing Arthur Cox and Michael McDowell, SC, on board, to the ordinary man in the street it would appear that a fair amount of firepower is being brought to bear by a group that is seeking to be in compliance. Why did the group fight so hard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Two final questions. The group received a pension contribution to the tune of €12 million from the HSE in June 2013. The reason for this was because the fund was under-capitalised. Was that money put towards pensions in the public hospital, the private hospital or both?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: For the sake of consistency, St. Vincent's Foundation is the fund-raising arm of the hospital. What level of funding does it raise annually?

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