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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: To clarify, the Deputy asked yesterday. We made a phone call yesterday evening to see would he attend.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Only in the past 20 hours.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In fairness, not wishing to contradict the Deputy, when the HSE was in on the other issue a couple of weeks ago we raised this entire issue about the commission of investigation. Every one of the 13 members of the committee were clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. I will give Mr. O'Brien a moment because information is being passed to him. I am merely saying I am clear that when we were here two weeks ago all 13 members of the committee directed their questions for Mr. O'Brien to clarify the record, for Mr. O'Brien to clarify his evidence, for Mr. O'Brien to send us a letter and for Mr. O'Brien to appear in person within two weeks, and this is...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: A teddy bear.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should let Mr. O'Brien finish.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: If it is mentioned in the transcript, this topic-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Through the Chair, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will come back a second time.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Burke and we will return to Deputy Kelly.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will come back. I call Deputy Burke.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Before Deputy Burke starts, Deputy Kelly just mentioned the issue of whistleblowers. We have done a search on the transcript and there are several mentions of whistleblowers during the meeting. It is all by members of the committee. I do not think Mr. O'Brien used the word once.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Once Mr. O'Brien does not disclose the person's identity, that is the overriding instruction.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the person still in the public service outside of the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Allow Mr. O'Brien to finish his sentence.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Through the Chair

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: He has fulfilled what the committee requested two years ago in respect of the transcript.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: However, I did make clear early on that if this committee is not happy with the answers it is receiving today, we will make our views known directly to the commission of inquiry. We all know today is not the end of the process. The real process is about to commence. What is on the record is on the record. The committee's views-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. O'Brien give us an approximate indication of when he asked Deloitte to do that? I know he does not have the date. Was it last week, last month or six months ago?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: So it is quite a while?

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