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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Was that €3.8 million an increase or decrease on the 2019 figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Mr. McCarthy might come back to us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: I thank Mr. McCarthy. Our time is limited. On ECCE and programme B specifically, in the Department's appropriation accounts, under the heading "Agency services", it is stated that Pobal administers that particular programme. There was an advance of €518 million to Pobal in relation to note 6.1. What was that advance for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: It was €518 million advanced to Pobal in 2020.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Was the change in the Department? Was there a change and transfer from it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Okay. I thank the Mr. McCarthy for that. On procurement compliance, there the 151 contracts spoken about earlier and €91 million relating to the provision of international protection accommodation. I hear what he said about how we are kind of at the upper end of that budget for this year given the numbers and that is excluding the Ukrainians who are coming into the country. Then...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Would it be annually or biannually?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: I ask that Mr. McCarthy come back to us. Are the officials from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform who are on the line be able to come in on how often that review is done of the internal audit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: It is stated that the audits are conducted to Department of Public Expenditure and Reform standards, and not by that Department. Pardon me. That is fair enough. I ask that Mr. McCarthy come back to us on that if he would not mind. I noticed there were a number of legal cases in the information. It is in note 6.2, which is headed "Compensation and legal costs". I noticed there were 20...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Okay, and obviously cases take different times.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: It is annually. I thank Mr. McCarthy. Under "Other claims" there are three. What do they relate to, as they are claims by employees, if they are not injuries in the workplace?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Okay. Then there are nine personal injury claims and a challenge to the children's referendum that dates back to 2019. What was that relating to?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: It took that amount of time, until 2019, to deal with it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Wow. Okay. In the last few minutes I have left, I have another question on the accounts. There was funding from the EU under a heading that was highlighted. It is "EU receipts", with €6 million being an estimate of what was to be received in 2020 and the outturn €5.4 million in respect of the asylum, migration and integration fund. Is that separate to the fund we were...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Given we were talking about the IPAS system and the funding for 2020 and the current year. As well as that funding in 2020 for the EU receipts, which was nearly expended, it is fair to say - there was €600,000 shy of the estimated provision for it - would it be fair to say the money that is allocated to our refugee and asylum programmes is under strain in the current year, with...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Cormac Devlin: I refer to the intervention programmes for children and young people. Given the year that was in it, there was a shortfall in expenditure in 2020 of €922,000. There were delays in projects associated with expenditure. Have those projects been subsequently funded to the maximum and are they back on track now?

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