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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should switch it to aeroplane mode in any event. That is as much as I know. This afternoon we are dealing with matters relating to the appearance of witnesses from the Health Service Executive, HSE, before the Committee of Public Accounts on 2 February 2016. At our meeting two weeks ago, certain matters were raised relating to Grace, the case of abuse that was the focus of RTE's...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I take it AGS is An Garda Síochána. People are not used to the AGS term. So that everybody understands, AGS is An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. O'Brien. Speakers have indicated in the following sequence: Deputies Cullinane, Catherine Murphy, Madigan, Connolly, Kelly and Burke. We are doing ten-minute slots each to give everybody an early slot and if somebody wants to come in a second time, there will be an opportunity because I do not want people going on for 20 or 25 minutes. I remind members that we are not...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have to come in here. An issue of a cover-up will be investigated by the commission of investigation. Mr. O'Brien is here to correct the record of the previous committee meeting. If the Deputy can show me in the transcript where he believes-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: What was said in the Dáil is not our business here.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: To be helpful to people who are watching, we have just viewed that one-minute section of the transcript on our screens of the meeting of 2 February 2016. The public may not have seen it. I just want the public to know what is going on.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Hold on.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will allow Deputy Cullinane come back in. To clarify, a question has been put. Mr. O'Brien has answered it but from Deputy Cullinane's perspective it has not been answered. Is it correct that February 2015 was the first occasion on which the HSE contacted the Garda Síochána about publishing the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is the first one you are aware of.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Questions are being put. If members are not satisfied with the answers, this committee will have no problem in sending the transcripts and the views of the committee members to the commission of investigation for its consideration in due course. The commission will ultimately be the adjudicator on what is said or not said here today. If we are not satisfied, we will pass on our concerns....

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Brien should deal with Deputy Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will have to move on to Deputy Madigan. Deputy Murphy will get back in but I am going to stick to the ten minutes for everybody.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it 2015 or 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In 2016 it was a week after a general election and there was no Committee of Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, to be helpful. I will give Deputy Madigan more time to allow Mr. O'Brien to look through the documentation. Mr. O'Brien said that on 24 February 2015 he requested his legal advisers to initiate a process with the Garda Síochána and two weeks later on 6 March contact was made. This process was in train before the protected disclosure was made.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. O'Brien say that slowly again?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We missed that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, it is in his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: What report?

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