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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the Comptroller and Auditor General audit that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it the subject of the Comptroller and Auditor General's special report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the amount that is due on the State's balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Because we do not really believe it is due.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: So there is a legal commitment in respect of the earlier amounts, but no such commitment for the second amounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are the amounts due on the first half of that recorded as a legal debt in the State's balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú is the Accounting Officer and should know this. I will be straight up. Mr. Ó Foghlú does not know if the Department has something recorded in its accounts as an asset or not. I do not mind him getting the help of the Comptroller and Auditor General, but Mr. Ó Foghlú is the Accounting Officer who presents the accounts to him for audit. Let us get...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the first one a debt due to the Department? Mr. Ó Foghlú is saying the second one is not. It is extraordinary that, 15 years after this agreement was reached, Mr. Ó Foghlú cannot answer the question as to whether that debt is legally due to the State and whether it is shown on the State's balance sheet. I could not think of a more basic question at the end of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Sorry, we will not go into this. We will come back to it. We will want exact answers. If it is legally due, it should be on the State's balance sheet. If somebody feels that it is legally due but that it is not really going to be paid and decides not to include it, we want to know who arrived at that decision within the Department to exclude a legally payable debt and not to include it on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think Mr. Ó Foghlú gets the point. We will want exact clarification on this before he returns to the committee. We want that sent us in advance. We will park that for today, but I think Mr. Ó Foghlú knows we want that specifically laid out for us before he comes to deal with that special report. We will come back to it on that day.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have two questions for the witnesses but before posing them, I want to get the agreement of the committee regarding something that has come up in the Chamber. We are scheduled to begin our afternoon session at 2.30 p.m but I am proposing that we move that to 3.45 p.m. It is a late start and I know it is inconvenient for members but Government business has collapsed in the Chamber. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely, Sinn Féin keeps the Government on its toes. That is agreed to. We need to let the Business Committee and the HSE know that we are going to defer the afternoon session. I have a few quick questions and Deputy Cullinane has asked to come back a second time. Is there a transfer panel in place for special needs assistants, SNAs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could the witness explain the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, in a region or whatever.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: They get priority rather than guaranteed redeployment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In recent years there has been competition between third level colleges for particular courses. Is there excessive competition between colleges, with some not filling courses as a result which leads to under-utilised teaching and support staff? Does that arise much? Does the witness understand the point I am making?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am asking a general question, not looking for specifics. Who can manage that? If every institution decides to run a course in whatever the most fashionable subject is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The regional thing does not answer the question. Many people outside the main cities would be as happy to go to Dublin, Cork or Galway. The region does not matter------

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witness needs to watch out for that. There is unnecessary competition. Third level students are quite willing to travel to different parts of the country to get away from home. State boards and the higher education institutions are mentioned in the documentation. Where are we in terms of gender balance in higher education institutions? What is the gender balance for all third level...

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