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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will try to get the two of them in first.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. They are working on it. They are trying to finalise the date. That is good.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will send out a note because members have particular interest in certain issues. When we have confirmation, the clerk will send us all out a note on that rather than waiting for the formal notification the following week. That is fine. There being no other business, at this stage we will suspend for a minute while the witnesses take their seats.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Item No. 7 on the agenda today is an examination of the 2015 appropriation accounts for the Department of Education and Skills, Vote 26. From the Department of Education and Skills we are joined today by Mr Seán Ó Foghlú, Secretary General, Mr. Dalton Tattan, assistant secretary, Mr. Keith Moynes from the finance unit, Mr. Christy Mannion from the higher education unit, Ms...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. I propose the committee writes to the chairpersons of the Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim ETB, and Limerick and Clare ETB, requesting an immediate explanation as to why their accounts for 2015 have not been prepared to date. I call Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Thank you, Mr. Ó Foghlú. Will people please turn their mobile phones to airplane mode? Even when phones are on silent, when they are receiving calls, e-mails and so forth, they can still interfere with the recording systems. Some people who might be making important contributions might not be adequately picked up. It is important for us and the witnesses. I call Deputy Rock.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does that cover the July scheme? Certain schools remain open for the month of July. Sometimes when the school does not provide it, children with special needs can receive home tuition for the July period also.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Loftus might confirm the position and send us a note. He knows the programme I am talking about.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: That question has been answered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is a political debate. Mr. Ó Foghlú need not get into the Deputy's description.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Mannion will answer. If Mr. Ó Foghlú says there is a connection to him, I can understand that it is probably more appropriate to stand back in fairness to everybody.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: However, we are concluding quickly on this point because representatives of that institute will be appearing before the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: You certainly can. Mr. Mannion, this is the last point on this issue. Then I will call Deputy Madigan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am going to move on. The Deputy will have a further opportunity to return to this. I call Deputy Madigan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The service is not provided in every school.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand schools have been informed in recent days of a new allocation based on resources.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did NEPS have a role in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: NEPS had a role. Will Mr. Ó Foghlú confirm that under this new arrangement, parents do not have the right to make an appeal? This is related to the issue raised by Deputy Catherine Connolly. In the past few days schools have been informed that parents do not have a right of appeal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It must come through the principal of the school rather than the parent.

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