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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Sale of IBRC Mortgage Loan Book: Discussion (26 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it above or below?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Sale of IBRC Mortgage Loan Book: Discussion (26 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: The book value of the loans is €13 billion while the estimated realisable value is the same figure. Is the independent value above or below what the former directors valued it in the statement of affairs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Sale of IBRC Mortgage Loan Book: Discussion (26 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: The borrowers have to stick to the terms and conditions of their loans. However, the liquidators are selling off a loan book where the purchasers will not have to apply the code of conduct legally. As all the bidders have agreed voluntarily to abide by the code, will the liquidators ask them to bid on the basis that they will legally comply with the code?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Sale of IBRC Mortgage Loan Book: Discussion (26 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will Mr. Wallace give me a reason? It is only 8% of the loan book; 99% of the loans are variable rate, and it is a vulnerable group. Yet the liquidators are telling me they have no legal protection.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: In terms of the process in the SMEs or ordinary business people paying their taxes, if they go on the debit does it physically hit their accounts? Do they also have a seven or four day time lag?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is the question I am asking. Has Revenue examined that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is Revenue's broad view on it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: They would have issues at their end in terms of debits coming in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Revenue conscious of the fact that from a cashflow viewpoint many businesses are working off debits in terms of payments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: The other issue coming up in business is that creeping into the cycle is the number of days' credit being taken by many companies, particularly the larger companies, with SMEs is increasing. A number of SMEs have told me that the days of credit they must give are increasing from 30 to 60 or 90 days. That is a major factor that must be borne in mind.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: That will mean €124 million in total.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Regarding Revenue investigations into small and medium-sized enterprises, SMEs, and larger corporations, the large cases make up 6% of the total yield from penalties and interest payments. In 2012 there were 127 investigations into large companies. How many ended up being published?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many of the ones relating to SMEs would be published? Are there more working on these? How are the skills sets of those working on these cases spread around? How would these cases arise? Would they be the result of voluntary disclosures? I suspect most cases arise from risk-based analysis on the part of Revenue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it 80% of the overall tax take?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Ms Feehily see any contradiction in the fact that the large cases account for 80% of the tax take but only 16% of penalties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: On a more general point, the payments system has changed. Ms Feehily is on record as saying it impacted on revenue in January. What will it be like in February and the rest of 2014?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will people get the tax credit over 2014 and 2015 if they do the work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: As I understand it, the builder will be required to submit data on time in order that the taxpayer can qualify for the rebate. What will happen if the builder does not do this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is there a legal onus being put on builders to compel them to do it? Let us say someone engages a builder, pays for the work to be done and is then chasing the builder to submit the documentation to the Revenue Commissioners. There may be a situation where tax clearance is current when the work is done. For how long must a tax clearance certificate be in place? Would three-month tax...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 23 - Revenue Collection
Chapter 24 - Management of Revenue Debt
Chapter 25 - Taxpayer Compliance
Chapter 26 - Corporation Tax Losses
Chapter 27 - Tax Audit Settlements
(20 Feb 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: A tax clearance certificate could be current 30 days before the work starts but by the time it is completed, the builder may have no tax clearance certificate and may be reluctant to engage with the Revenue Commissioners for fear of drawing their attention. That leaves the poor punter who has paid out hard-earned money for renovation work high and dry. Where is the protection for the...

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