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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Questions are being asked about top-up payments and who else would take on - I will not mention the personality. Who else will pay? We were told back in 2010 that presenters might move to the BBC or elsewhere. RTÉ was also dealing with Mr. Kelly and paying through a British company. I am not being anti-British, but does Brexit create any worries about dealing in that kind of manner?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: None. We should go back to the fair days when we would make a deal and spit in the hand. Now we have to go to England for it. Barter companies should not exist. The public service is accountable. It should not have to have barter companies and private deals with companies to guarantee someone that if the moneys did not stack up, the taxpayers' would pick it up.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: To who?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: That is Ms O'Leary's version of it. How does RTÉ plan to address the significant reputational damage caused by this scandal, and to rebuild the trust and commitment to transparency, integrity and accountability?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: The reputational damage caused by this scandal.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: The board.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Okay. I appreciate that. This is my summing up. I have no faith in what the witnesses are telling us.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Of course it is. You do not have to drive me down please Chair. I am saying myself-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: And remember that in two days, the committee will-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Of course.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: With due respect-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: They are my personal views. I have no faith in this cabal to tell us the truth.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Thanks for that. Look, I do not have faith in the board. As I have said, the board accepted the resignation of Ms Forbes in the middle of this storm and hurricane that was blowing up. All the time, the board was advertising the hurricane and the storm as orange, but this was red. This must have been a red flag for the board. Surely to God the competency was in the board and the executive...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Go raibh maith agat, a Chathaoirligh, and I apologise. I had to go in and speak in the Chamber twice. This question may have been asked when I was absent, I do not know. How can the board of RTÉ justify several of its own staff being on zero-hour contracts, while allowing the top salaries amounting to several hundreds of thousands of euro, not to mention the top-ups we are discussing...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Mr. Lynch, or one of them.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I have looked at those who are on the website, but I do not know whether it is the top ten or 20. That is not an answer, really. On the zero-hour contracts, how does RTÉ stand over that? Is it going to continue with that? That was a question I asked as well.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Has RTÉ developed a policy so that will-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: It has? For everybody?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Categorically?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Yes.

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