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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it was not the formal case then, when did the new process commence of looking at a contractor's past history?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. Barry consider it good practice to do this before engaging somebody? Should one speak to somebody who had engaged the contractors before?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, past experience of a contractor.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Grand, but does Mr. Barry think it would be good practice in the public sector?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it the practice now?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I did not suggest that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: When the Department of Education and Skills tenders for schools, whether today, last year or the year before, it seeks references from organisations that have previously worked on building schools. Different parishes or locations around the country or different ETBs could be involved. Deputy Catherine Murphy will be aware of one project in my constituency and in her county in respect of...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, that is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: There was a good practice in place but it was not followed through on or completed fully.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am just saying that this idea of getting references from people who employed the contractor previously is normal. Perhaps that Department was caught out in that it did not follow the process through, but this had been a standard feature to allow people through the pre-qualification process. We did not seem to get an accurate understanding of that practice. Does the Comptroller and...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not the contractor; it is-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----the pre-qualification process from the State side.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Those reference projects can be verified.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can go back and check them. That is what I have been talking about. Did that happen here, though?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, but this is broader than just claim history; it is a matter of quality of work and timeliness.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: A final response from Mr. Barry and then we will hear from Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Barry saying the 7% is year by year based on the cost landing on the invoice when paid?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The 4% is not for the life of the project.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Per annum. If for two years of the project, inflation runs at 7%, we pay the balance. If in three years, inflation is 2%, we will save nothing.

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