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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Is it taxpayers, the Government, people who pay the licence fee? I would love to see some of the people who are being prosecuted and threatened with imprisonment for not paying a licence fee get these kinds of chances, get sweet deals and have a 50:50:20 agreement. It is laughable. The board must come up with some answers please. Who was it loyal to? Who was it serving? RTÉ is the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: That does not deal with the culture. It is all grand now because RTÉ has been found out. The committee is trying to elicit answers through the Chair and we cannot get them. The public are aghast. When I go to RTÉ I am well treated by decent, ordinary people who are working hard late into the night and giving their service. It is unbelievable to see this. Putin would not get...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I am. This is a culture. She was forced to resign while male presenters were getting sweet deals to stay until 70. Court cases were mentioned that day. It cost the State a lot of taxpayers' money to defend the first case in which RTÉ was found against for discriminating against females and RTÉ lectures us day and night about equality. That happened under the watch of some of...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Loyal to.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I apologise. I did not accuse the witnesses of lying.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Questions are being asked about top-up payments and who else would take on - I will not mention the personality. Who else will pay? We were told back in 2010 that presenters might move to the BBC or elsewhere. RTÉ was also dealing with Mr. Kelly and paying through a British company. I am not being anti-British, but does Brexit create any worries about dealing in that kind of manner?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: None. We should go back to the fair days when we would make a deal and spit in the hand. Now we have to go to England for it. Barter companies should not exist. The public service is accountable. It should not have to have barter companies and private deals with companies to guarantee someone that if the moneys did not stack up, the taxpayers' would pick it up.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: To who?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: That is Ms O'Leary's version of it. How does RTÉ plan to address the significant reputational damage caused by this scandal, and to rebuild the trust and commitment to transparency, integrity and accountability?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: The reputational damage caused by this scandal.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: The board.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Okay. I appreciate that. This is my summing up. I have no faith in what the witnesses are telling us.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Of course it is. You do not have to drive me down please Chair. I am saying myself-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: And remember that in two days, the committee will-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Of course.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: With due respect-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: They are my personal views. I have no faith in this cabal to tell us the truth.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Thanks for that. Look, I do not have faith in the board. As I have said, the board accepted the resignation of Ms Forbes in the middle of this storm and hurricane that was blowing up. All the time, the board was advertising the hurricane and the storm as orange, but this was red. This must have been a red flag for the board. Surely to God the competency was in the board and the executive...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Go raibh maith agat, a Chathaoirligh, and I apologise. I had to go in and speak in the Chamber twice. This question may have been asked when I was absent, I do not know. How can the board of RTÉ justify several of its own staff being on zero-hour contracts, while allowing the top salaries amounting to several hundreds of thousands of euro, not to mention the top-ups we are discussing...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Mr. Lynch, or one of them.

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