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Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it just historic that the university wants its own private sector audit?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: In the note immediately below that, the majority of the university's activities are not liable for corporation tax. The corporation taxation charge in the period in respect of the trading activities administered through subsidiary companies amounted to €59,000. The university paid a corporation tax of €59,000 on income from subsidiaries. I would not expect the witnesses to...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which of them generated the surplus?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: That make a surplus------

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am concerned when the university refers to the HEA funded statements and the other accounts for the Comptroller and Auditor General as if there are two sets of accounts. I have to draw the witnesses' attention to page 34. I have never seen this before. These are the university's accounts, not my accounts, I stress. It is on page 34 under the heading reconciliation of the deficit surplus...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is what it states in simple English. One set of accounts goes to the HEA showing a loss of €1.742 million. At the bottom of the page the accounts that the Comptroller and Auditor General gets show a surplus of €2.843 million. I am utterly at a loss. I see the figures explaining the movement of €3 million or €4 million but I get concerned when I hear of one...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Ms Dooley need not go through the differences.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The last time we met with an organisation with two sets of accounts, one going to one State body and a second going to another, was Console. It went bust. I am not comparing but when an organisation comes in here saying it has two sets of accounts for the same financial year, it sends all sorts of weird messages. Do the witnesses not see that page? Is the HEA aware that the sets of...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does every third level institution have a set of accounts for the HEA and a different set for the-----

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am going to ask for the help of the Comptroller and Auditor General's office here. Are we now finding that every third level institution we have been dealing with - this has not been clear to the PAC for years - has two sets of accounts, one going to the HEA and a different set going to the Comptroller and Auditor General? Is the Comptroller and Auditor General happy working on one set at...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Miss Drinan spell out that word? I understand it.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witnesses need to help us out here. We are now, at whatever time it is on a Thursday evening after 4 p.m., stumbling on the fact that all these august bodies have two separate sets of accounts showing fundamentally different bottom lines, a difference of €4 million between the two sets. We will want a report. I will ask the HEA or the Department of Education and Skills to...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: We want a report on what is happening because we do not get it.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the information I just asked for specifically in the report?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who can produce that?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, do not apologise.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Dr. Love can understand that we could have been concluding a report talking about one set of accounts and the accounts used by the HEA for funding purposes could differ by millions. Dr. Love gets my point. I am surprised by what has happened. I am not saying any of them are wrong but different financial assumptions are being used in the different set of accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did anyone else indicate?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is on page 9 of the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, that €17.5 million which NUIG has taken in as due from the foundation at the year-end was made up of specific projects and specific figures. The witnesses have the list. I ask them to give us a report on what made up that figure, how much was received, the date it was received and if any of it is still outstanding....

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: There are teaching roles, but some of them work part-time.

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