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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Who instructed Mr. Kelly?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: This email did not come from Geraldine O'Leary. It went to Geraldine O'Leary. It said that if it was sent back she would sort everything out. We took comfort from this. What was done was as per RTÉ's request and instructions.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: It just does not add up why RTÉ went to such lengths. It did itself, the taxpayer and its own reputation so much damage to protect Mr. Tubridy's name.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Did Renault reduce its overall advertising bill with RTÉ, to cover this separate contract?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Kelly is not aware if Renault was going to divert the existing advertising budgets for RTÉ to cover a new contract, or a separate contract he was negotiating on behalf of Mr. Tubridy.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Okay. Mr. Kelly is completely washing his hands of the deal, of which he and Mr. Tubridy were going to be sole beneficiaries.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: It is very difficult to accept that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: RTÉ made you do it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: The alleged method suggests that Mr. Kelly collaborated with RTÉ, as I said at the previous committee, to engage in secret payments through the barter system.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Kelly was the beneficiary of this, with the intention of hiding the payment for your client. Is that correct, or can he provide clarification to address the accusation?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: RTÉ would normally never do cash transactions. By putting this payment through the bartering system, was there an intention to hide the payment made to your client, Mr. Tubridy?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: During an online meeting in May 2020 between Mr. Kelly, the former DG, RTÉ's solicitor and a colleague of Mr. Kelly's, a verbal guarantee was given by RTÉ to underwrite the Renault commercial agreement. Is that correct?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: No, no. I am talking about this, which was in May 2020.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Kelly must have been aware it was the taxpayers' money from RTÉ, and not Renault's payment, that would be supporting these invoices.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Renault was not in a position to renew the contract for "The Late Late Show" in 2020.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Was it not a case that-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: It is still the sponsor, but what about the tripartite agreement to underwrite payments?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Kelly must accept he played a pivotal role as the conduit to these under-disclosed payments. Blaming it on RTÉ now seems difficult or for us to accept as credible.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: That is not the question.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Alan Dillon: That is not the question. Mr. Kelly will answer the question

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