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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: It is still in course. We are still removing the church from our healthcare services in St. Vincent's and removing the physical manifestations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: I am sorry; I wanted to ask Mr. Menton the questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: My next question to Mr. Menton is on the course of this evolution. As late as 2020, it is my understanding that recruitment required a doctor or nurse who was recruited into the healthcare group to follow the Catholic ethos and have ethical beliefs and commitment to the project of St. Vincent's under Mother Mary Aikenhead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: When did it go, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Since 2012, therefore, it has not been a requirement of the agreement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: My question relates to when it was no longer a requirement of the recruitment process for the Catholic ethos to be adhered to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Will Mr. Menton please get me an accurate answer on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: I am interested in Mr. Menton quoting Dr. Catherine Day as somebody he looks up to examining this process of evolution and how the separation of church and State can be guaranteed. In her report of 2018, however, which was commissioned by the then Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, she stated co-location could be achieved through contractual terms to which both hospitals agreed to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Ownership of the land is crucial to ensure the hospital will be used for what it is intended to be used for, but so is the term "clinically appropriate". Mr. Menton is doubling down on this need to be sure that the maternity hospital is going to be used as a maternity hospital. What is his fear? Is it that if the hospital went into the ownership of the HSE, it might one day be opened as a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Mr. Menton would be willing to have that dropped.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: We had indications from the National Maternity Hospital witnesses who appeared before the committee that they would be very willing for it to be dropped.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Does Mr. Menton agree that, in the spirit of partnership, those of us who have been elected to the Oireachtas to represent the people's interests in this country should be given more time to allow for the tripartite discussion to examine dropping the question of clinical appropriateness? There seems to be some flexibility on the part of St. Vincent’s Holdings and the National...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: On that same thread, does Mr. Menton understand how it rankles with us and the general population, particularly women, that anything less than full ownership looks as though the hospital will not be in control of the people of this country? Whatever happens in this hospital over the next 300 years or over whatever length of time I live to be an elected Deputy, St. Vincent’s Holdings...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: I have no doubt about that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: -----but if we have worries about that, where can we go?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: I did not ask about the motivation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: It is difficult not to interrupt when we are not getting answers to the questions we have asked. I did not ask about the motivation but rather whether Mr. Menton understands why it would rankle with the people that they will not have full ownership, given it is to be paid for by their taxes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: If that was the case, we would all be happy campers and we would not be sitting here. The concerns are certainly not mitigated for the representatives of the people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: I will continue in the same vein as the previous Deputy in terms of the role of the sisters. Have they or their nominees any shares anywhere in the St. Vincent's Holdings or St. Vincent's Healthcare Group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Bríd Smith: Did they make any financial gain from walking away?

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