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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: When were they done?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That was a long time ago.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is an eye?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: How often?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: When did Mr. Costello last look at the accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: A lot can change in a year.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: There are no signals.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I must have imagined them when I looked at the figures.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are the mechanisms being used to test robustness the same mechanisms used in respect of the two companies that went bust during the project?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Was the same technique applied? Yes or no?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is a very simple question. Was the same technique that is being used now applied to test the robustness of the two companies that went bust? Yes or no? It is very simple. Was the process changed?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I will make it a little bit clearer. Perhaps Mr. Costello does not understand. He says that he is testing to ensure that none of the companies is going to go bust so that we are not left with a half a hospital out of the ground. I asked when he last tested that and he told me that it was a year ago. I would argue that liquidity can change very quickly. We just need to look back to ten...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have still not got the answer but I am willing to sit here until 9 o'clock tonight, so go for it. Are you using the same mechanism?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are the same external people using the same mechanism now as there were then?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Part of your job is to deliver the project. If they go bust the hospital will not be finished.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am not overly comfortable about the situation but we will leave it at that. The Government contracts committee approved the change of contract type to a two-stage contract. Do we have minutes from that meeting? I understand there was a derogation for this process to be allowed. The two-stage process has led to an escalation of prices in other jurisdictions. When the Government...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is what happened.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Mr. Pollock remember if they asked if this type of tendering process had increased costs in other jurisdictions? It seems like an obvious question to ask. Would it not be obvious to ask what the pitfalls were and why we had not always done things in this way?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Unique to Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I accept that the two-stage process was a good idea but it seems, from other jurisdictions and ours, to be fraught with escalating prices. I was wondering if a question was asked about the pitfalls of the two-stage process.

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