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Committee on Disability Matters: Progressing the Delivery of Disability Policy and Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: It needs to be a meaningful career where the person is valued. I absolutely agree. I listened to Mr Herrick's opening statement on our history of institutional abuse. At the moment, one of my big fears is that we are at full employment and it is very difficult to get people into section 38 and section 39 jobs. There is a risk of burnout and a risk of cutting corners. I would like to...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Apologies have been received from Senator Bradley. The agenda item for consideration this evening is pre-legislative scrutiny of the general scheme of the equality (miscellaneous provisions) Bill 2024. Joining us for this session are Mr. Liam Herrick, chief commissioner, and Dr. Iris Elliott, head of policy and research at the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, IHREC; Dr. Aideen...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank Ms Bailey and all of the other witnesses who have provided opening statements. It is proposed to publish the opening statements to the Oireachtas website. Is that agreed? Agreed. Before I call on members, I remind them that they are allocated seven minutes speaking time each and that this includes time for responses from witnesses. If time permits, I will allow a brief second...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Who would the Deputy like to go first?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank the Senator. I will now move to Senator Keogan.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Does the Senator want to direct her question to somebody in particular to start?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Who does the Senator want to direct her first question to?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: We will just give Ms Mitchell a chance to reply.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Does Senator Keogan want Ms Mitchell to reply as well?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank the witnesses for their contributions. If they are uncomfortable answering any question, they do not have to. I want them to feel comfortable at all times.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: There should be time for a brief second round, so that discussion might be able to continue. I thank the witnesses for their engagement so far. Many of my burning questions have been answered. This is what happens when I go last. I thank Mr. Collins for his time.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: What are the top two or three areas where the witnesses feel we are backsliding?

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank Dr. Elliott for her comprehensive answer on a broad question. I will move to Dr. Hartney and Mr. Finlay. I wish to pick up on the point on the definition of disability. When I was reading back over the summary of the submissions, some felt the definition was too narrow in some areas and in other areas people will be left out. Could the witnesses expand further about what they...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank everyone for that. Ms Bayliss or Ms Bailey had questions about heads 10, 11, 16 and 17. Even though the extension has been moved from six to 12 months and compensation has been moved from, say, €13,000 to €40,000 or €15,000 to €75,000, they were saying there is potentially still not enough time, especially for those who may not realise they have been...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I have also seen that in my constituency office. People have complaints about HAP accommodation but do not want to complain about something due to fear. We have been given excellent examples. I ask the witnesses to explain why the increased compensation of €40,000 or €75,000 will not be sufficient.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I appreciate these really helpful examples. Mr. Collins spoke about how one landlord on his or her own might really think about €40,000 in compensation but for a big organisation that makes millions of euro the compensation amount is not a lot. I suppose that when the legislation is enacted the public campaigns will be really important. On the National Women's Council and gender...

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Senator Keogan has indicated that she would like to ask a further question. We do not have time for a full third round of questions. I will allow the Senator to speak for two minutes. I will also allow one representative from each organisation to make a closing remark, if desired.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: Thanks to all our questioners. Now, the IHREC can make a brief closing remark, if it wishes.

Committee on Children and Equality: General Scheme of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Discussion (8 Jul 2025)

Keira Keogh: I thank Mr. Herrick. Please send any correspondence through the secretariat. That would be very much appreciated. We will now go to the National Disability Authority, NDS.

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