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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Does this go back to core expenditure?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: That is what I was saying: current expenditure.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: You are talking about Page 2?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: The Deputy is quoting the figure excluding core capital expenditure for ELS in the summer economic statement 4 July 2023 which is given as €2.3 billion.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: To clarify that, is it fair to say that ELS standstill is a delivery of this year's services next year? Is the HSE statement that the €2 billion is for other costs in addition to that?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: We do not dispute that.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: I made that point earlier.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Can I interject?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: I think that point has been made earlier and it is being made to the witnesses. The committee is not satisfied by the fact the level of detail that was applied in previous years has not been applied this year. We have asked for that to be noted and for consideration to be given to giving a breakdown to this committee, similar to what was given previously, in order for the committee to do...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: There would be an estimate within ELS, however, that would seek to give a figure within that €708 million to refer to and account for health inflation in the delivery of the same services as those we got last year, that is, to stand still.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: That is why we need the components.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: But we do not know that. The Deputy is saying we want those details.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Yes.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: We are going around in circles. The bottom line is that the witnesses were brought before this committee for the purpose of discussing the standstill costs. The main issue members have with those is that there is not a breakdown or the detail required to identify what components contribute to that figure in its entirety. Regarding the Government decision to allocate €22.5 billion to...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: I thank members and the witnesses for their presentations, the manner in which they sought to answer questions and the detail they went into. The main thrust of our ask is to ensure there is an effort to provide the committee and, by association, the House, with the components within ELS provisions for next year and that they be divided into three, in each Department. It is incumbent on us...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Is the Deputy referring to the PBO paper on the existing levels of service?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Mr. Kinnane might inform the committee secretariat when that review will be and when the Department will respond to it. The ask being made by the committee is that the breakdown needs to be in similar components to what it was the case previously, and we then might get clarification on the questions Deputy Doherty is asking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Global Humanitarian Response: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (14 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: Apologies have been received from An Cathaoirleach, Deputy Flanagan, who cannot be here today. Today we welcome Mr. Ramesh Rajasingham, director and head of the Geneva office of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, OCHA, who will brief the committee on the global humanitarian landscape, provide an overview of the office's vital role in the global...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Global Humanitarian Response: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (14 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: I thank Mr. Rajasingham for his kind remarks regarding Ireland's contribution. We will now take questions from members, starting with Deputy Carthy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Global Humanitarian Response: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (14 Nov 2023)

Barry Cowen: On behalf of the committee, I thank Mr. Rajasingham for meeting various members of the committee today and comprehensively answering their questions. On behalf of the extended Oireachtas, I thank Mr. Rajasingham for the work done by his office especially, as many members said, considering the risk and danger. He and his colleagues put themselves in the line of danger. The information that...

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