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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: In relation to University College Cork, the Comptroller and Auditor General has said that there was expenditure of €2.1 million in relation to the dental hospital and that, basically, there is an €8.6 million deficit as well for the year end September 2023, which had not been identified until December 2023. The lack of financial oversight is quite worrying for University...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: I welcome the witnesses. I will first discuss the CHI consultant at the centre of the review. Was the then chief executive of CHI aware he was doing the weekend work?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Did Ms Hardiman know?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Did Ms Hardiman know this consultant, in particular, could not carry out the out-of-hours work?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: I do not understand that. If he was unable to do on-call hours, why was he able to see twice the number of patients he would be able to see during the week?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Did Ms Hardiman bring to the attention of occupational health that this consultant was also carrying out work at the weekends? Did she not ask at the time how he was able to carry out work at the weekends even though he could not carry out-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Ms Hardiman will appreciate that I am asking this question because €450,000 was spent on a locum doctor.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: That was public money.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: He was being paid with public money through the NTPF as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Has Ms Hardiman ever heard the phrase "running with the hound and hunting with the dog"?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: He seemed to be doing a bit of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: The consultant.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: I will move on to the board's effectiveness, because of the time. Regarding the internal report that was carried out, Ms Nugent said that an anonymised report would not make sense. Why?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Give me an example of a quote that would have been identifiable.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: What is Ms Nugent's opinion of the HSE, the Minister for Health and the Taoiseach saying that this report should be published?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: While Ms Nugent respects their opinions, does she believe they are wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: I question the effectiveness of the external evaluation, considering that a number of people have since stepped down from the board. Would Ms Nugent not question that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Would Ms Nugent question the effectiveness of the external evaluation herself, perhaps?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Has the board discussed this?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Have any members of the board brought to Ms Nugent's attention in conversation that the external evaluation might not be fit for purpose, considering that a number of people have stepped down from the board since?

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