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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I thank all of our witnesses for being here today. I will touch on a point raised by the previous speaker with regard to joint policing committees. The Commissioner might be aware that joint policing committees continue to meet in Dublin city on the basis that the Minister indicated that they could continue to do so on a transitional basis while CSPs were being established. That is the case.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Statistics are often presented at those meetings. Presentations are also made with regard to policing matters and questions that have been lodged in advance are answered. Is it the Commissioner's view that this should continue to happen where those statutory meetings are held?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The local policing forums that sat under the joint policing committees essentially provided intelligence and input as regards those local issues. I will raise an issue of concern. The next meeting of the Dublin city north-west area joint policing committee is to be held on 30 June. The chairperson of that committee has been informed that An Garda Síochána will not answer...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That cash would obviously take multiple forms but ultimately it will be legitimate Central Bank-issued cash that has been verified and all of the rest of it. There might also be forged cash and so on. Does An Garda Síochána differentiate the cash in that way?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The cash that is not forged or fake in any way is legitimate cash An Garda Síochána has on hand.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: How is that accounted for in the Garda accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It does not sit within the audited accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the deputy commissioner see the concern there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We have dealt with many organisations here where the cash retained by the organisation should have been accounted for and the details made available to the Committee of Public Accounts if that body was accountable to it. It is really concerning that, when I ask what cash An Garda Síochána has on hand in this system, those details cannot be provided and that An Garda...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Agreed. Ultimately, I know, that cash is lodged to the Exchequer at the end of court proceedings. Very substantial figures have been transferred by the Garda National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau. I think I saw a figure of €30 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is there anybody within An Garda Síochána at this moment who knows how much cash is in storage?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Deputy Commissioner Coxon is unable to provide that figure, however.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the deputy commissioner know the scale of it? I am not asking her to be specific.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Will Dr. Coxon talk about what controls are in place in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What about security arrangements? When audits were done in 2014 and subsequently years later, there were some concerns with regard to security and storage. Those concerns did not relate specifically to cash but were general concerns. I am taken aback that an organisation could come before the committee and state it has many millions of euro in cash in storage but the relevant figure is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Dr. Coxon accept it is a significant risk to the organisation and to the Exchequer?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Do those systems and controls reach the same standard as would apply if the money were in storage in a bank?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I am being careful because I do not want to ask about the details of it for obvious reasons, as the deputy commissioner said. Can the Garda satisfy the risk of the storage of that cash?

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