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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: From a dog behaviour point of view, the dog's behaviour is likely to have a direct correlation to whatever is going in that dog's life. If a dog bites, we stop and look at what happened. Did that dog bite because it was over-excited, things were going on and it was chasing? Did it bite because it was being punished? Regarding whether or not a dog is dangerous, every dog...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: People need to understand why these restrictions are there and why the shelters and pounds are so adamant to ensure that their guidelines are followed when it comes to re-homing a dog. They see the negative side if they re-home a dog to a home that does not have a fenced in garden. The dog disappears and ends up back in the pound and so on. When it comes to adopting a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: The Control of Dogs Act was not breached in any of the cases I have mentioned, nor did it save the individuals' lives. I am a dog behaviour expert with a master's degree in animal behaviour and welfare and well over a decade of experience working with dogs of all breeds. Most important, I am a mother of two young children. I am passionate about dog bite prevention and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

...: I do not have such a country off the top of my head. I am pretty sure that they are doing it in Switzerland. The countries where they are doing these things already have very low rates of dog bites and significant behaviour issues. They are implementing mandatory training and so on for younger dogs. It is doable. There are models that we can look at and replicate. The Senator...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: From speaking to a family member of one of the fatalities, I am aware that the dog had already been flagged in a significant way. It had been reported to the dog warden. I may be thinking of another case. There was a case in Wexford where a little boy was very badly mauled by a dog. That dog had been flagged to dog wardens and nothing was done about it. In the case of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: I thank the Chairman very much for the opportunity to speak on the topic of dangerous dogs and offer some assistance on the topic. It is a topic I am extremely passionate about. In 2017, my research on dog bites in Ireland was published in the Irish Veterinary Journal. This research compared the characteristics of bites from legislated dog breeds and non-legislated dog...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: On the Chair's first point about dogs being pack animals and joining in in pack mentality, that is why it should be mandatory that people have a basic level of understanding of dog behaviour. A scientist, Dr. Rudolph Schenkel, studied wolves in captivity in a small enclosure in a zoo in Switzerland in 1947. He continued to refer back to dogs in his study. For example, he...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Lynn Boylan: ...of breeding bitches. I have concerns about Mr. Ryan's statement that automation improves socialisation. The behavioural expert made the point, which makes sense, that it is about introducing dogs to different environments and noises and being handled more. We know that when dogs go into shelters, they can become quite stressed, including my own dog. The noise of so many dogs in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: I would say Switzerland again. I think it is in Switzerland that exams have to be taken before people can get a licence, although there had previously been very few dog bites and dog attacks in that country in any case. To be fair, many countries bring forward specific legislation and then scientists respond by saying one study or another shows it will not work....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: I very much disagree with that statement, for two reasons. Sometimes there may be something genetically wrong with a dog, whether its serotonin production is skewed or it has a brain tumour leading to it behaving differently. Sometimes dogs carry out bad behaviours - by bad, I mean unwanted or undesired - because there is something wrong with the dog. There will quite...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I thank Ms Creedon for her attendance. Every dog can be dangerous. You could have the quietest dog in the world and it could bite. I have seen it myself. It could be a Bichon Frise or a collie that is after cattle. If children come into a house, the dog is not used to children and the children pull the dog's tail, the dog can nip them. You can watch all the patterns and all the things...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Mr. Paul Geraghty: I thank the committee for inviting us here this evening to discuss the Department’s role in relation to dog breeding establishments and dog control. I am a principal officer in the community division of the Department of Rural and Community Development. I am glad to be accompanied this evening by my colleague, Ms Catherine Burns, assistant principal officer. Our...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: It is unrealistic and dangerous. It is dangerous for us to have such an unfortunately large population of dog owners who do not truly understand their dogs and dog behaviour and how to safely care for their dog to ensure their dog does not cause harm to others. Unfortunately, the dog wardens do not have any formal training. There is no decent training programme or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: What happens is that the body goes into the sympathetic nervous system dominance state. You will often see humans, dogs and Taylor Swift shake it off. When you see dogs doing a shake-off if they were in the water and they are wet, then it is normal. However, if something was a stressor for the dog and its body starts to go into sympathetic nervous system dominance and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Ms Nanci Creedon: Five to 12 weeks of age. That is why responsible breeders are amazing. "Dog breeding" is not a dirty term. Responsible breeders who truly socialise their dogs during that period build solid, bombproof, friendly family dogs. If you are on a puppy farm and all you see in your early weeks is a strange person coming in, perhaps manhandling you, putting you into a different...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Martin Browne: ...mauled by a pit bull in Wexford. As the Cathaoirleach is aware, we have had two bad sheep kills in Tipperary since Christmas. Since then, there have been calls for stronger regulation around dog licensing or dog ownership and the enhanced ability of the Garda and dog wardens to investigate these cases. There is a complement of one and a half dog wardens for a county the size of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Generally, ewes are heavy in lamb from January-February until May if it is a mountain area. That is four of five months when it is deadly dangerous if there are dogs. Even if ewes see a dog while being heavy in lamb, they can turn over. It is deadly dangerous. The Department might look at that. I want to keep going because I want to let Deputy Carthy back in and we could have votes....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Lynn Boylan: I thank all our guests for their very detailed submissions. The first issue I wish to raise involves dog breeding establishments, DBEs. This committee produced an animal welfare report while the DSPCA recently called for the DBE regulations and legislation to go to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. Do Mr. Geraghty and Mr. Ryan support that being in the one Department? It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Lynn Boylan: I apologise to Senator McGreehan. I thank Ms Creedon for her informative opening statement. One of the key reasons I requested that we have a session on dog bites, dangerous dogs, sheep-worrying and related issues is that I want us to react with an evidence-based approach to this. We are all in agreement that we want these dog attacks to end if we can stop them, but there have been a lot...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Dangerous Dog Breeds and Sheep Worrying: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

...A person would go off and buy a DVD or a book, or it might all be online. It is all scientifically based. It would be basic information on why punishment leads to an increase in aggression, why dogs getting hyperactive increases the risk of bites and so on. Yes, the additional cost might turn people off but if it turns people off and they do not get dogs then that is perfectly okay with...

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