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Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Eamon Scanlon: ...but I did not want to let amendment No. 37 pass without speaking on it. It is a very reasonable request that the Minister should consider pain relief in this case, given that we are referring to babies over 20 weeks. When one considers that a baby is viable at 22 weeks it is imperative that the baby is given pain relief. There is no point in having the baby suffer needlessly. I am sure...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Danny Healy-Rae: I am very disappointed that the Minister is not supporting our amendment. It is clear that he is not listening to what we are saying or does not understand what we are saying. We are simply asking for something basic and humane, which is that if a baby survives an abortion, he or she gets the same attention as a baby in a maternity ward. We are talking about two different places because...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Michael Collins: I am also very disappointed the Minister is refusing to accept our amendment. We can no longer bury our heads in the sand. The Bill currently passing through the Dáil would legalise the procedures I mentioned in my previous speech, with no regard for any human rights of the child, with no regard for any human dignity of that child and with no regard for any pain or suffering those...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Michael Harty: .... I will try to clarify it within the four parameters the legislation proposes. Under the first parameter it is proposed that termination can occur if there is a risk to the life or health of the mother. In that instance, that baby is a much-wanted baby. Circumstances have overcome that pregnancy such that the life or health of that woman is at risk. That woman will have had several...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Danny Healy-Rae: I did not interrupt anyone. She told us clearly that her mother was forced into having an abortion. That is what happened. She ended up alive because some good nurse came back, took her out, saw to her and she survived. She came to Buswells to tell us her story. It frightened me to think that actually happened. We have figures on this but they are not as real to me as that person...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Michael Collins: It is hard to understand why anybody would be opposed to providing pain relief to a human being about to undergo a painful procedure. I am not sure any Member is actively against pain relief in principle. Sadly, however, many have spoken out against this amendment in recent weeks. When this was raised at the recent health committee meeting, the Minister said this type of detail is best set...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Mattie McGrath: I move amendment No. 41:In page 14, line 29, to delete "or section 14certification" and substitute ", section 14certification or section 23certification". Amendment No. 41 relates to certification of the records that are kept and the fact that practitioners and people carrying out abortion procedures will be expected to keep records. In the discussion on previous amendments, the Minister and...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: ...Deputies for the debate. I am not in a position to accept this amendment which is indistinguishable from the amendment on the same subject put forward on Committee Stage. We had a long discussion and vote on that amendment then. While I can see that the amendment is proposed with the care of infants in mind - and I do not question the Deputy's bona fides in that regard at all - the...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Michael Collins: ...because our doctors know how to care for the infants. However, the Minister seems to have forgotten that in this case the doctor was likely to be the doctor who had been tasked with ending the baby's life, therefore surely the Minister can appreciate that there may be a conflict as to what he or she should do at this point. The doctor was asked to end that baby's life and now the baby is...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Danny Healy-Rae: -----and a previous speaker said we should trust the Minister because he said this or that at the committee. All we want is for it to be written into the Bill. I respect Deputy Durkan because he has been in this Chamber a lot longer than I have, but when he asks me to trust the Minister without it being written into the Bill, it puts me in mind of selling sand in the Sahara desert because I...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Michael Collins: ...challenge the Minister on the spin that was put out. He would like all of us to believe that if it is not specifically legal to abort on the ground of disability, it will somehow not happen in Ireland. That view is very naive. In Germany, it is not specifically legal to abort a baby on the grounds of disability, yet some 90% of babies with prenatal diagnosis of Down's syndrome are...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Bernard Durkan: ...situation, with nowhere to go, with no help from any quarter. The only place to go was across the water, to leave the country or disappear into what were once the Magdalen laundries or the mother and baby homes. It is time we grew up a little. It is time we learned that women had lives as well, that they are entitled to due and fair consideration and that they do not find themselves, at...

Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report Stage (Resumed) (29 Nov 2018)

Mattie McGrath: I am saddened and shocked - we all are. We said all along - and I repeated it earlier - that we accept totally where an intervention has to be made in an emergency in terms of anything that would affect the health or the life of the mother. The Minister does not have to pick up on that. That is quite clear and understood by all of us. Some abortion advocates claim that the unborn child...

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