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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Let us say the conciliator decided the contractor should be awarded more than €50 million or more than €100 million. The board has to decide whether it will accept that in the coming weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If it accepts it, I presume that the details will become public, like the ones that Mr. Gunning has told us about - the nine.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes. So it will be nine, ten, eleven because there are multiples of these. There is more than one.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I respect that. On the conciliations that are currently live, where the board has had the conciliator make decisions, the board now has a period to reflect on those and decide.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I presume the board either accepts those or pushes them on to the High Court.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is currently the board's table.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: And therefore, would it be fair to say, substantial amounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Some of these conciliations would be eight or nine-figure sums.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I am pretty confident that I am right about that. Half a billion extra was allocated recently to the project. I am paraphrasing when I say that the Minister said not a penny would go towards paying the contractor. Is that a substantiated statement Mr. Gunning can stand over? An extra €500-odd million has been given to close off this project and the Minister, Deputy Donnelly, said...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If disputes are settled and there is an award for the contractor, whether small or large-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Or a court settlement.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: The only money that can pay for that is the €500 million that has been awarded to the board. Otherwise it would not be trading properly.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I take that as meaning some of that funding has to be used for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I paraphrased.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: The additional €500 million? What is that for?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Is it substantiated or acceptable to say none of that will go to the contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I just looked this up. This was covered in the media on 14 February. The Irish Times reported, “Mr Donnelly was adamant was that none of the funds [the €500 million] would go towards claims made by BAM.” I do not think that statement can be stood over. That is just absolute garbage. As a committee we should write to the Minister and tell him to withdraw this. He was...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Exactly. I agree totally. I just wanted to make that point. I also believe we should write to CHI and get an update from it. Mr. Quinn said that some work, which I accept, would have been going on in parallel in respect of the six to nine months commissioning. We might get a status report from CHI on that. How many months has it cut off that nine months? That would be interesting. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Just so the layman or laywoman among the public know, how many changes are required?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It is just a figure that is needed.

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