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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: How long will that be?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: When would the service anticipate the conclusion of that process?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: Is Ms de Brúch saying there will not be a stakeholder forum in place until after that process at the back end of 2025? We would be in 2026 before a stakeholder forum is in place. I am just trying to understand the timeline. This is why I am teasing it out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: Okay, but that is what Mr. Ó Donnchú said a minute ago.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: I am trying to understand-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: During that process and not at the end of that process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: When does the service anticipate the forum will be established? That was my original question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: If the process is starting in September, are we saying the forum will be established in January next year, in December next year, or in January 2026? I am not holding Mr. Ó Donnchú to a date and a month but I am asking for a quarter, I suppose. Are we saying quarter 4 of 2024 or quarter 1 of 2025?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: It would be prudent. I had not intended spending my whole six minutes on this set of questions. I did not anticipate it being as difficult as it was. I would have thought that having a stakeholder forum in place as early as possible would assist in this process, as opposed to it being viewed separately, notwithstanding that the service has to do the full consultation. I would have thought...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: I am anxious to see the stakeholder forum. We should not be afraid of a stakeholder forum. It is something that should be an integral part of this whole process because you have to have all the wider players together, notwithstanding the consultation process. I think that is the point Deputy Flaherty was making. Having all of those diverse viewpoints in the room to have a wider discussion...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: The reason I focused so much on the stakeholder forum in the first round was the very one just outlined, because it is a case of all parties working together, including the agriculture community, those who enjoy the outdoors and country pursuits, and environmental NGOs. All have a role to play in protecting and enhancing our environment. I love the outdoors, was involved in the scouts when...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: The two in the north west. I have been to Connemara, Killarney, Wicklow and the Burren.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: Pardon the pun.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: It can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: The NPWS would be okay with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: Does Dr. Bleasdale doubt the assertion by the custodians of that land that it grows back stronger the following year? That is what they say to me. Burning achieves the objective of strong heather growth, which Dr. Bleasdale just spoke about.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: What are the practicalities of that on the ground? If a farmer on the Comeraghs wanted that to be an integral part of his or her plan, what would be the engagement process to ensure that? Talk me through this. It is an important matter for our upland areas.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: National Parks and Wildlife Service Strategic Review: Discussion (25 Jun 2024)

John Cummins: It does not. What is that holistic approach? A counterargument is always put to us. The NPWS will say one thing but the farmer on the ground will say another. They both want the same objective, but there is no exact process for getting there. That is the tricky part.

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