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Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (23 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: There are now just eight minutes remaining and the Minister's request to leave for another engagement is noted. It is appropriate, therefore, with the agreement of members, to go into private session for two or three minutes to determine the date on which to resume our consideration of this Bill, rather than proceeding to the next amendment or grouping. We have a very busy schedule in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Business of Joint Committee (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I remind members to switch off their mobile phones as they interfere with the recording equipment. No apologies have been received. We will go into private session briefly to deal with some housekeeping matters before commencing our scrutiny of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We will resume in public session. The purpose of today's engagement is to conduct detailed scrutiny of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017, which is sponsored by our committee colleague, Deputy Jim O'Callaghan. The format of the meeting is that Deputy O'Callaghan will be invited to make an opening statement and that be followed by a question-and-answer session. We will then...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Deputy O'Callaghan. The protocol is that questions may be asked of Deputy O'Callaghan at this juncture, following his opening remarks. The opportunity is there as with any occasion. Alternatively, would he prefer to proceed to hear the witnesses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is fine. I thank Deputy O'Callaghan for outlining the Bill today and for his briefing note on it. Have all witnesses and members received a copy of that? The note puts the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill into context for our discussions. Normally we would have to suspend to allow our witnesses to take their seats but they have beaten us to it. I welcome from the Equality and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Ms McElwee. I give members the opportunity to contribute. Not surprisingly, Deputy O'Callaghan is the first to indicate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Deputy O'Callaghan's contribution did not contain a specific question that I could turn to the panel. However, Deputy Ó Laoghaire has focused particularly on a couple of areas. As his first question was addressed to IBEC, Ms McElwee and Ms Harkin might like to respond. He also brought IBEC into the second question that I will then put to the representatives of the Equality and Rights...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I apologise for interrupting, but I can pick it up in my ear - someone's phone is not in the "off" position. There is a little interference and I do not want Ms McElwee's response in the recording to be in any way interfered with. Just to be on the safe side, people might check their phones, as we are picking up a little interference in the background.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: There you are. You can all hear it now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I only said it because I did not want Ms McElwee's contribution to be interfered with in any way. Please resume.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Ms McElwee. Would Mr. Crowley like to address Deputy Ó Laoghaire's points?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Mr. Crowley for his responses. Would Deputy Ó Laoghaire like to ask a supplementary question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes. The next speaker is Deputy Clare Daly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I believe Deputy Daly's question is specific to Ms McElwee so I invite her to respond first and then I will bring in Mr. Crowley.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It would be remiss of me not to share a thought that struck me while Ms McElwee was speaking. Notwithstanding the current protections, I can say we can never have enough protection. During my years as a Member of the Oireachtas, I can recall two cases involving women in specific employments who acknowledged they had experienced an episode of depression in their lives. The outcomes in both...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I appreciate that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Before Ms McElwee responds, I will just alert members to the fact that I want to bring in Mr. Crowley on this discussion too.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Mr. Crowley. Does Deputy Chambers have any supplementary questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I am very happy to say that members of the Traveller community, through no small thanks to this committee, are members of a formally recognised ethnic group, and quite properly. Deputy Fiona O’Loughlin is very welcome to our committee. A number of colleagues of all hues and descriptions have been and gone. Would the Deputy like to make a small intervention?

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