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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I would concur with the Deputy if he thought that was "Yes". I call Senator Conway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: In fairness, that is Crowe Horwath's view but Senator Conway has a different focus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Maybe the Senator might like to address the question to another member of the panel. However, will he allow Mr. O'Sullivan to finish his response?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I must bring to Senator Conway's attention that a division has been called in the Seanad.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: No, I assure the Senator that I do not want to get rid of him at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: There is an interesting revelation. Would the Senator like to proceed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I do not think Senator Martin Conway is suggesting in his questioning that it has been the case, but he is underlining his view and a significant swathe of public opinion and concern about the fact that all of this has happened. Its extent has been shocking. People with the confidence of a lifetime in An Garda Síochána have been left reeling and are questioning that confidence....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Will the Senator, please, let the deputy commissioner finish?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The Chairman will invite him to contribute. On that note, I welcome him back.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: To clarify, for both Deputy Alan Kelly and Mr. Nugent, it is not a direct conversation. Questions and responses should be directed through the Chair. We will maintain decorum.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Maybe Deputy Kelly was not here at the time. I am sorry about that but perhaps the witnesses would clarify that for the Deputy. My understanding was that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes, but in terms of the first question the response, as I recall, was in the negative in each case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is my understanding of the response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Would Mr. Nugent like to come back on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Can that be furnished to the clerk to the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Is Deputy Kelly speaking of the Crowe Howarth report or Assistant Commissioner O'Sullivan's report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: None in respect of either report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Is that in relation to both breath tests and fixed charge notices?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Please let Deputy Kelly finish. I will allow Mr. O'Sullivan to speak in a minute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I remind Deputy Kelly that we must vacate this room by 1 p.m. and there is another member still to participate.

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