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Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: This was published in December. More than 269,000 overtime hours were allocated to Operation Thor in 2016. It might be of interest to the committee to note that overtime expenditure on Operation Thor for the first two months of this year is in the region of €1.115 million. Operation Thor has provided a swift return on the Government's investment in Garda resources. This is...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: Everyone will acknowledge that there has been a sea change in vetting and e-vetting. Vetting has been successful. I often receive queries from Deputies and others about particular vetting applications. When I make inquiries, I inevitably find that the applicants need to provide more information, have lived abroad for a number of years or have not applied via the e-system. The waiting time...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: That is not reflective of the recent controversy because those cases have to go back, in the first instance, to the District Court and then they have to go to the Circuit Court. People who have been affected had to be written to by a date in early April. They do not have to appear in court but that will be dealt with. The question of compensation has clearly not been determined at this...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: We do not have it in the current year but the cases should go back shortly. The courts have said they will expedite them. I gather many of them can be dealt with in groups. That is the recommendation of the Director of Public Prosecutions. That is not in the budgetary provision at this point.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: It is a combination. That is an estimate of the cost for this year based on, I presume, previous experience in respect of the amounts of compensation gardaí receive. This would arise in a range of areas. It could be road traffic accidents that they are involved in or personal injury cases. I do not have the detailed breakdown but I will get it for the Deputy.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: No, it is a combination.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: The 2017 revised estimate for compensation in respect of Garda claims of the type we are discussing where there might be injuries, etc., is €9.574 million. The allocation is €7.048 million for third party cases.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: I take the point the Deputy is making. I refer her to a document which she might find useful where this is examined. It is the Garda appropriation accounts, which are published every September. That is examined publicly by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The approach to compensation is examined in detail. The Deputy's other point applies to any organisation. If people are dealing...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: They are in the justice Vote.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: A variety of tribunals are covering different aspects of work of justice and not just the Garda. That is the budgetary position that have been captured under.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: The Garda does not manage the tribunals. They are independent and separate.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: Yes, one can put two and two together.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: Could the Deputy explain what category he is talking about?

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: I do not mean the individual case, just the category.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: Apparently, that is captured under No. 3 in administration, which is training and development. The Deputy was talking about the Charleton inquiry. I do not wish to discuss that inquiry here and how people who are party to that are handling different issues. They should be brought to the attention of the Charleton inquiry. The Deputy mentioned the Garda Commissioner and other parties....

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: I understand that the sole member of the Charleton inquiry is very keen to deal with these issues effectively, efficiently and as quickly as possible. It would be entirely a matter for the sole member to determine the issue around representation and what is considered appropriate. I would not have a view on that. It is his decision. As I told the House previously, if there were concerns...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: No. What I have a problem with is any interference with the Charleton tribunal. There is no role for me in respect of the question of representation, how it is used, how it is developed, what representation is used or what mechanisms are set up. That is entirely a matter for the Charleton inquiry.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: We have already had a great deal of discussion in other fora about the Garda Commissioner's competence to get on with her job. I have made the Government's approach to that clear.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: It is the incidental expenses part of that.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(12 Apr 2017)

Frances Fitzgerald: It is captured in the Estimates. That is the terminology around it.

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