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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: I thank the witnesses for attending the meeting. I have engaged previously with three of them. Will Mr. Herlihy explain his qualifications and experience over the past 27 years?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: A statement was made by the EPA representatives this morning to the effect that we can see a significant change in groundwater in a period of 12 months. With his experience over the past 27 years, what does Mr. Herlihy think of that statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Is Mr. Herlihy aware of any research anywhere in the world showing that in a 12-month period, in the context of whatever measures are brought forward, a significant change can be seen?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: The farming community has introduced changes in the past three or four years, involving more than 30 different measures. The EPA representatives acknowledged today that when they model catchments, derogation farmers are not part of the modelling. In other words, the EPA does not acknowledge the derogation farmers are there. We have a scenario now whereby when we have a catchment, we take...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: The red map Dr. O'Connell mentioned forms a significant part of this report. This 29-page report has created more confusion in the farming community than anything else. Whoever deems it appropriate, perhaps the president of the IFA, might elaborate regarding that red map and also that, because the EPA produced the red map, it found that it had to produce a map on page 21 afterwards to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Famously, Leitrim is included.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: There is one derogation farm with 3,000 cows and, as can be seen, it is marked as red.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: That was under Article 12.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: The problem is that the Department agreed Article 12 two years ago. It effectively signed us up for something that is very hard for us to comply with. The working group Dr. O'Connell and Mr. Buckley sit on at the moment, and our guests might correct me if I am wrong in this, is asking for proposals on how we will work towards reaching Article 12.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: That is a dangerous place to be put in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Mr. Buckley and Dr. O'Connell sit on this working group. I understand there have been four meetings so far. According to the press release by the Minister, the group is meeting again next week. I do not want our guests to break any confidentiality commitments but this working group has been set up in the past four or five weeks to try to come up with a solution in the next four to five...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Dr. O'Connell's point is quite interesting. If Article 12 had been brought forward a decade ago, there is no way we could have reached these targets. It is such a blunt instrument. It is very like the Leitrim scenario that has been discussed in the Dáil. It just proves how blunt it really is. I got the impression that the EPA is frustrated. That is why it produced the second map....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: That goes back to the piece of information that Mr. Herlihy gave about soil types and having nitrates in the soil.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: I have two more questions. I apologise, the Chair has given me great latitude. First, on the amount of testing which the EPA went through earlier, it is an average of 12 per water body per year. I was trying to make the point about what is happening in the Timoleague catchment where we are testing once every ten minutes. I worked out that for every one test the EPA was doing, we were...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Finally, on peer reviewing reports and standing over the data, what is the industry norm for peer review of reports like this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: If I can come back in for a moment, Chair, we should meet the Minister as soon as we possibly can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: May I make a point of clarification?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Since I have been mentioned-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Chair, can I make a statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Since I was mentioned in public by the Minister, in what was an unbelievable statement, I would like to clarify the situation. In relation to the October date, we had a private meeting of this committee and went back and looked for a date before that. This is why we are sitting here today. We had a private meeting of the committee and I raised the fact that I was not happy with an October...

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