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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: I suppose the challenges in tendering arise because the process of asylum seekers approaching the Department is reversed compared with the refugee protection programme. Mr. O'Driscoll spoke about the communication process with local authorities and working with them. He also mentioned the pressures in the Department's accommodation system, which was putting it mildly. In terms of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Before that happens, I will speak to the point a little more. We have heard in the case of these sections of the community - I only say sections because it is not reflective of all of the community - things being cited such as medical, education and childcare issues as reasons for non-suitability. Let us say there is engagement with the CEO in Roscommon, the director of housing in that area...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Therefore, there is positive engagement by the CEOs of the local authorities in that respect.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Mr. O'Driscoll clarified for Deputy Connolly that there were 38 centres, 31 of which are commercially owned, while seven are State-owned, for the 5,980 people in the direct provision system and that the cost last year was €77 million, that, potentially, will rise to €100 million this year. There is the additional cost of maintaining 517 persons in hotel accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: What was the cumulative figure in 2017 and 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Was that the cost for 517 persons?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: September 2018.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Was the figure quoted, €850,000, the cost in the period September to Christmas 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Does that figure include the cost in the September to Christmas period or is it cost between January and March?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Was the €3.4 million spent on hotel accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: Let us consider the Department believed it to be only a short-term measure prior to Christmas because it had anticipated housing people in direct provision centres. Were these figures anticipated? Are they scheduled costs for the Department? If that was the cost in the first quarter of the year, potentially, it will cost between €12 million and €14 million more to provide...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: It is made more challenging by it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: How many hotels are there on the books for the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: I go back to the comments made about identified properties. We see the challenge the Department is facing. Mr. Wilson said using hotel accommodation was a short-term solution. That was in September and already the numbers are growing. Owing to the challenges being faced by the Department, my fear is that it will become a long-term solution. From January to March, the cost was €3.4...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: I will come to that issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: On the 38 properties, will the Secretary General outline the hierarchy in terms of size? What are the top three in terms of capacity? Is there a limit on the size of centres in order that capacity will not exceed X amount?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: What is its capacity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Shane Cassells: What is the average figure for the 38 centres? Obviously, the centre in Mosney skews the figures.

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