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Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: From next Thursday onwards.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am pleased the Minister has returned to the House as I would like clarification from her on one or two points. With due respect to the Minister, the longer we debate this issue the more ridiculous the Minister is becoming on it. I will explain why. When speaking earlier on this issue, I used the Minister's figure of 92,000 in respect of the number of lone parents in this State. The...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: The Minister misunderstood what I said earlier on this issue. I am not saying that half of current claimants will be affected by this measure, rather I am making clear that in the future fewer people will be entitled to the one family payment and, only until their child or children reach seven years of age, as compared with the current situation whereby people can claim for children up to 14...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Yes. If in due course lone parents cannot claim for children over seven years of age, which is half the 14 years in respect of which current recipients get the payment, the net effect will be that in future there will be fewer people in receipt of the payment. The Minister will probably respond saying that some parents will have two or three children and will remain eligible for the payment...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I was.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: We are talking about new claims.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is for existing claimants. I am talking about people who are not in the system.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: The situation could arise in a circumstance other than death. The parents could break up. Somebody could lose his or her job for some reason. If a person remains in his or her job until next Thursday, the same situation applies as in the example I gave.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: If somebody who is in employment loses that employment next week, he or she might submit a claim for lone parent payment after next week. Somebody who is a new claimant after next Thursday will not be eligible.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: No. I spoke about what would happen if they were in employment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have to let the Minister know that if you are in employment and you are paid a reasonable salary or wage, you will not receive a social welfare payment as it is means tested.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: It depends on the number of-----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am talking-----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps such people have stamps and PRSI contributions that qualify them for benefit. That would exempt them from the provisions of this legislation for nine months or so. What about those who do not have sufficient contributions, however? Somebody who is in a job today on a reasonable salary will not be drawing any payment in respect of this category. If such a person loses his or her...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: If that is the case, what does the date provided for in this legislation mean? I am contradicting what the Minister has said because it is made clear in section 4 of the Bill that "this section comes into operation on 3 May 2012". That is next Thursday. Is the Minister telling me that section 4 will mean nothing when it comes into operation? If it will mean nothing next Thursday, surely...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: They will go onto one-parent family payment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: They will go onto one-parent family payment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is very clear. The Minister will say that some of those who will be affected by this might have an entitlement to benefit. That might be the case. Others might not have such an entitlement, however. This section will come into effect on 3 May next. According to the briefing note, from which the Minister has read on two occasions: From this date, [3 May 2012] new customers will be...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I listened with interest to what the Minister had to say in her final remarks on these amendments. She was probably referring to an issue I raised earlier. I note that some subsequent amendments deal with what we said about what happens in the event of the death of a parent. I am trying to get my head around this. As I understand it, under the arrangement the Minister has put in place, if...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Is the Minister saying that such a person would be in receipt of a survivor's pension?

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