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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Our Public Service 2020: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: I do not see why anyone should be a permanent member of TLAC.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Our Public Service 2020: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Answers to parliamentary questions, particularly questions directed to the HSE and other such organisations, should be made readily available to Members. The Taoiseach made a comment on this in recent times and mentioned specific issues relating to Department of Justice and Equality. I note that Deputy Kelly is here. I am not asking the question on foot of that. The information,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Our Public Service 2020: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Are there any other questions before we conclude this part of the meeting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: We will now deal with No. 7, which is an overview of the Benefacts project. I welcome Ms Patricia Quinn, managing director, and Tom Boland, chairman, of Benefacts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: That Benefacts is reporting on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Maybe it is best if Ms Quinn looked over the transcript of the meeting, when it is available, to cover all the different areas as questioned by Deputy Kelly and to allow us the full comprehensive response to each of the issues raised. I allowed the line of questioning because when an entity is collecting data and putting it out there for use it is important that the entity itself is above...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Is it random or are there Departments?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: What is Benefacts' destination? It has set up, it has gathered this information of some 20,000 organisations onto its database and so on. What is the plan for the future? Is it to remain in the one space or where does expansion come about in such an organisation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Is it part then of the future plan to be in a position to sell data at a greater level than it does now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Is that a private company or is it funded like Benefacts?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Is it government funded?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: When Benefacts started out first was it Ms Quinn's own idea?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: When Benefacts was established, did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform support it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Benefacts sat in to that space.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: As such, is it right to say that there is no competition?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: When an organisation is the source of a huge amount of information, it becomes very powerful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: We return, therefore, to Deputy Kelly's question about protecting that information and ensuring its proper use, which is hugely important. In the answer the witnesses will provide to the committee, can they indicate how, according to their projections, Benefacts will ensure the protection and proper use of that information? That will be hugely important to the witnesses' work and the issues...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: I will come back to the other question later. It is not relevant now. I would like to know more about the sale of the information. Do the witnesses see their organisation continuing to rely on being a partner of the Department in the future? Alternatively, between now and 2020, do the witnesses expect or hope for Benefacts to be a completely independent organisation generating its own funds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: I have no objection to that but when an organisation is gathering information, it can gather all types. As such, the individuals handling the information had better know the difference between what can be made publically available and what is sensitive.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

John McGuinness: Both can be sold, as our guests know, and there is a bigger market for one kind than there is for the other.

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