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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The witnesses are both members of An Garda Síochána. Is there another word for the transfer of €100,000 into a private entity that has not been accounted for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is that for the whole of An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What is the Garda budget - €1.7 billion or something?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is An Garda Síochána getting full co-operation from agencies like the OPW?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I respect the processes An Garda Síochána is going through but I suppose the real question is why it did not start a couple of years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: As such, Mr. Culhane has been aware of these issues for years. Does it concern him as chief financial officer of An Garda Síochána that while he had supplied information and people regarding the conduct of these reports, absolutely nothing happened with them from 2008 to 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: To be helpful, would the Garda Commissioner mind providing whatever evidence she finds with us in the next week or so? I know she is doing a bit of a trawl so I appreciate it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes. I am anxious to see who was on those committees. It would clearly have been made up of Garda personnel.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: For the information of everyone else in the committee, meetings took place among the Garda personnel to prepare for this meeting. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, you said that before. I respect Mr. Ruane's role and the protection of privilege. Would it be normal for the Garda Commissioner to, effectively, disregard legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: How was the Garda repaying the OPW if nobody knew anything before July 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have established that there is always somebody whose job it is to liaise with the Garda to manage its Vote and financial affairs. We have established that and I presume there is somebody doing it at the moment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Hold on a second. A committee is set up to examine the financial management of Templemore by An Garda Síochána and the Department is not on it. This is fact according to what the witness is saying. The Department is not on it when it is set up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am just finishing up. I raised those issues in the Dáil on 12 April. In the contributions last week no witness from the Garda or the Department was aware of that contribution. That is incredible.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In terms of senior management, I am speaking about the commissioners at senior level, and the Garda Commissioner. Does Mr. Culhane have full confidence in senior management?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Given what Mr. Kelly said today, does he feel that his position in An Garda Síochána over a number of years has been undermined and does he feel that he was misled?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is very detailed. Does Mr. Barrett believe that the Commissioner of An Garda Síochána was aware of the issues in Templemore on 2 July or preceding that date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In other words, Mr. Ruane felt obliged to inform the Commissioner - though I am not asking what advice he gave - of her responsibilities, particularly under the Garda Síochána Act 2005, I presume.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We now have a situation where the evidence given by the Garda Commissioner is she acted promptly on 27 July when she first found out. We have heard from two witnesses who were at a meeting on 2 July that this committee had already been established.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: To sum up, we have a note about evidence that indicates that the Garda Commissioner was made aware of these issues on 30 June.

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