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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: I will have to cut across the Deputy because I want to be fair to other members on speaking time. I call the regulator.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Members might be inclined to correct it. There was a question for Mr. McEvilly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: I know Ms MacEvilly could but I am going to push on. It has been very interesting to hear those points but could the CRU representatives address the question on data centres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: To add to that, is there not also a question as to whether we should be building such data centres at all? There is the question of the moratorium which we discussed. There were different views across the committee on that issue but it is a fundamental question. Is it wise to allow the energy demand from data centres to go up to the 30% Deputy Whitmore mentioned? Will that make everything...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Mr. McEvilly mentioned the SEAI's heat study a few times. We will have the SEAI representatives before the committee next week. That is certainly something we can explore further with them. Deputy Smith was indicating but I think she has dropped off the call. I call Senator Higgins.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: The Senator asked eight or nine questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: I will let Senator Higgins back in for a second round if we have time for it. There were quite a lot of questions there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Senator Higgins mentioned fracked gas. In her opening statement, Ms Connolly was very clear that fracked gas can be just as bad as coal in terms of its climate impact. Does the CRU have a view on this? If it is advocating for LNG, and there is a considerable risk that the source of LNG could be fracked, are we not then putting ourselves in a position where we are actually contributing to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Officials appeared before this committee a few months ago and we spoke about how, at European level, efforts are being made to make the distinction between fracked and conventional LNG, which is welcome. Deputy Cronin is joining us from her office.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: The Senator asked quite a few questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Does Ms Connolly wish to respond before Deputy Cronin comes in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: We all have loads of questions today. I will call Dr. McGowan first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: I apologise to Ms Connolly. The first question was addressed to her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Thank you. I call Ms Connolly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Everybody has had the opportunity to ask questions. I know two members are keen to come back in. I will ask them briefly how much time they need because I will take it together if it is short. I will call Senator Boylan first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: That is all very interesting. Mr. McGowan may want to take the other question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: Do the opt-in and opt-out arrangements require an amendment to primary legislation? Alternatively, are they addressed by ministerial order?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: It is good to know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: If the guests could provide a note, including on an international comparator, the members would find it very interesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Energy Challenges: Discussion (29 Mar 2022)

Brian Leddin: I thank Ms Connolly. As it is 2 p.m., I thank the witnesses for appearing before us. It has only been four or five weeks since the regulator last appeared before us, so we appreciate the officials for attending again so soon after that and for answering members' questions, which were thorough and probing. We appreciate the efforts the officials made to answer those questions. I thank...

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