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Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I be very clear on one question to Mr. McEnery, following on directly from that? He has indicated that as chairman of the board this issue - his appearance here today and the issues surrounding it - will be discussed at the board.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can we take it that Mr. McEnery will recuse himself from that meeting or that section of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think according to HIQA's rules of governance that the vice chair will chair such a meeting and that Mr. McEnery personally will not chair the meeting discussing this.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery gets the point I am making.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is important if there will be a discussion of his situation. I am just being pragmatic about HIQA's own rules of governance, specifically that where there is a potential conflict of interest-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----the vice chair is asked to chair the meeting or whatever. Is that the procedure it will follow?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The next speaker is Deputy Catherine Connolly, who has ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will stop Mr. McEnery there because as Chairman I have ruled that there will be no reference to the document produced by the adviser because of legal privileges on it.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Please proceed without reference to the document or the name of the legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. McEnery have a role in that matter?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: But does Mr. McEnery have an issue with it?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We still have two speakers to get in here and the Voting plan is coming up shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputies Murphy and Farrell have indicated. We have to be gone by 1 o'clock so they probably will not both be called before then.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine but I ask Mr. McEnery to be brief, because it is a topic we intend to deal with again. It is on our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are coming back to that in our work programme. Perhaps we can move on, Deputy, because we intend to dedicate far more time to that topic. I will give one minute each to Deputies MacSharry and McDonald.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Be careful.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will let you consider that.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery has one minute to respond. A vote has been called and he has an aeroplane to catch. This is the final response.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am bringing this part of the meeting to a close. I thank the witnesses from HIQA for attending at such short notice and for their responses. We will suspend until 2.30 p.m., when we can commence our business with Tusla. I apologise to the representatives from Tusla for the late start.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I apologise for the late start. We had expected to meet with the witnesses this morning. I am sorry that we had to defer because of other business and, subsequently, voting in the Dáil went on for over two hours, which delayed us further. We appreciate the witnesses taking the time and having the patience to wait with us. From Tusla, the Child and Family Agency, I welcome Mr. Fred...

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