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Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: I seek clarification on a few points. The Minister of State is saying that it is not appropriate to include regulations on natural mating in regulations on artificial insemination. Would it be advisable to insert a separate section to deal with this matter? We are discussing animal welfare and, as anyone familiar with the industry knows, natural mating can have welfare issues. It seems...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: But there is no section governing natural mating or the use of frozen semen.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: With respect, the Minister of State is introducing regulations on artificial insemination, which only covers a certain percentage of the breeding industry. There is also natural insemination and insemination through the use of frozen semen.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: No, but neither is artificial insemination.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Why would the Bill not cover all three types of breeding?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Stud owners would not tell one that. Natural matings are a thing of the past in the greyhound industry. They do not happen. There is artificial insemination and frozen semen is being used, which is usually done with an insert. We are not providing for regulation in this Bill, which is a mistake. I am not arguing with the regulation of artificial insemination but I do not understand why...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Surely this is the Bill for the industry, going forward. If we are including regulations here on artificial insemination, why not do so for other forms-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: No. Frozen semen can be used from a live sire too. Natural matings are not happening on the ground. They only happen in a very small percentage of cases. I cannot see why, if we are regulating artificial insemination, we do not regulate other forms as well.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: In fairness, things have moved on a lot since 1958.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: In 1958 there was only one way to get a bitch in pup. There was no other way. We have moved on a lot since then, in fairness. I am not trying to be awkward here but I cannot understand, when there are other ways of getting a bitch in pup, that this legislation is not dealing with them. This legislation will govern the industry for the next 20 or 30 years. Why is there veterinary...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: I am suggesting that there should be veterinary supervision. A vet is able to go to a stud to check that any artificial insemination taking place is being done correctly, to which I have no objection. That is the way it should be but if there are natural matings occurring, why should the vet not be able to walk in and check that it is being done correctly too?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Yes, it is a natural process but it has to be done to proper welfare standards.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: The same question applies with regard to frozen semen. That is not covered in the Bill either.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Artificial insemination does not happen in the thoroughbred industry.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: The Bill provides for veterinary supervision for one form of breeding. Does the Minister of State know what percentage of matings are natural?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: I can assure the Minister of State that the percentage is very small. We are working our way through this legislation but are leaving frozen semen out of the equation. We are catering for artificial insemination but not for frozen semen. This means that the playing pitch is not level vis-à-vis those using artificial insemination. I am not saying that anything is being done wrong, but...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: That is not clear in the Bill, in fairness. There are two different processes involved. At the moment there is no veterinary supervision in studs where frozen semen is being used as there is over artificial insemination.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: Can we include that in the wording?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: At the moment, those who are using frozen semen are not subject to veterinary supervision. There is supervision of what we can call ordinary artificial insemination. In some cases, semen is stored for a long period of time before it is used. In other cases, the semen is drawn fresh and used immediately. There is veterinary supervision over the use of fresh semen but not over the use of...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Greyhound Racing Bill 2018: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2019)

Jackie Cahill: I think the wording needs to be modified to be more inclusive.

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