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Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The intent of the Government is what the legislation is about.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If the Minister cannot find a way to accept the amendments tabled by the Opposition, maybe we need to take a look at how the amendments are constructed. Maybe there could be constructive amendments that would increase the intention of the Government in certain areas and give added strength to the legislation instead of opposing it. I know the role of the Opposition is to oppose and we accept...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Fianna Fáil is betraying its real view here.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Then a Senator should sit down and say nothing?

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Imagine if a Government Senator said to Fianna Fáil Members that they should sit down and say nothing. Imagine the outrage there would be.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Senator Bacik's interpretation of this is correct.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: She is, and the amendment is based on a misunderstanding of section 4. If one reads section 8(1) together with section 8(4) one can see that the intention is clear. Section 8(1) states: "Subject to this section, the Commission shall provide a dispute resolution service to any customer of Irish Water ...". Section 8(4) states that a person is not entitled to make a complaint unless they are...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: It is the same thing.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The point Senator Cullinane is missing is that the entire section refers to a complaint by a customer, and section 8(4) restates what is said in section 8(1). As far as I can see, it strengthens the position of customers because it obliges the commission to provide a dispute resolution service. Instead of being a negative point, as my colleagues on the Opposition side are saying, I see it...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator did, and rightly-----

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: We expect the same level of courtesy from the leader of Fianna Fáil when we are making our contributions, which are reasonable and measured.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Continue. As outlined in section 8.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: There is confusion because of the construction of the section. There is customer protection legislation in other areas such that if a customer uses a service, there is a particular route towards dispute resolution. There are many people who may not be customers, but the normal dispute resolution apparatus would work in that case. This is an addition, not a subtraction; it does not exclude...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Senators are either misunderstanding this wilfully-----

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Section 1 indicates that this section relates to customers only. That is spelled out in Parts 1 and 4 and cannot be any clearer. It is an additional layer of customer protection.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If somebody is not a customer of Irish Water-----

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: We hope everybody will be a customer of Irish Water. Where people are not, the normal dispute resolution mechanism in the common and every other law of the land would apply. This is an addition to every other right. Unless I am grievously mistaken, that is my interpretation.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator should take his time.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: We hear the Senator.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Senator O'Brien seems to be able to take any old concern at all, dress it up in respectable language and raise it as a hare. He took two words from the Minister of State's opening address, which contained about 500 or 600 words. Senator O'Brien took two words and dressed it up. It looks, at first glance, to be a good idea to have Irish Water subject to the provisions of the Comptroller and...

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