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Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: No, I stand over what I said. The Deputy seems to suggest that somehow somebody who sold their cattle-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: When those cattle were sold, there was no scheme in place. We were devising a scheme after the fact from September up to May and we were motivated to make sure that farmers got payments, not dealers. There may have been cases where dealers bought cattle and those cattle were sold to a factory under a different herd number. It could not have been the case that they were doing that from...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: The other matter which has raised some concern, which I can understand, is the control of horses. We are all aware that there is understandably and rightly a heightened interest in welfare issues. We operate a scheme that refunds to local authorities the costs they incur under the Control of Horses Act 1996. If a local authority, under its obligations under the Act, incurs expenditure...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Exactly.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: I can provide the committee with a more detailed note, but that is the case. A fund is available to refund local authorities for services rendered. Not all of that fund has been drawn down. It is as simple as that.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: I do not have all the detail of it here, but my understanding is that we provide local authorities with a refund of up to €375 per horse for actions they have taken.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: That is the maximum funding they can get from us. I can get more details, but we provide €1.14 million and we have spent about €520,000.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: I do not think so. I imagine it is refunded on a rolling basis, on the basis of accounts submitted. I do not think it is a case of everything being spent in the last weeks of the year-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: We have spent less than half of what is available to local authorities in this area.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: If they had acted under the service level agreement and taken the appropriate actions they would have got the refund.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: I appreciate-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Several thousand per horse?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Let there be no confusion. The first and absolute responsibility is on the owner of the horse.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Local authorities are drawing down these funds. However there is more funding which is not spent. I accept there may be horses that are in good ownership and well looked after but are not compliant with the law as regards chipping and passports. That is a problem. It makes traceability more difficult. The Department is aware of this. In the first instance, responsibility rests with the...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: I can send the committee a note on the scheme and how it operates.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Regarding the organic sector, I note that €56 million was provided for the organic scheme over the lifetime of the rural development programme, RDP. Members should bear in mind that under what is known as the N+3 rule, the RDP does not run for a fixed five-year period. Sometime a contract starts in the middle of one stream and rolls over into the next one. If anything we are...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: It was because the expert group felt that the market was looking for more product in the horticulture, dairy and cereal areas.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Originally, we opened it to everybody. Everybody who wanted to came in, and they are still in the scheme and getting a payment. We subsequently reopened it, on the advice of the expert group, to take in applications where they felt there was a market demand for the product. That was in cereal, dairy and horticulture.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: They felt that is where the demand in the marketplace was located.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(10 Dec 2019)

Michael Creed: Yes. Applicants who came in under the beef sector would not have been included. That is where the high number of applications that were refused came from. I would imagine that will be one of the areas that will grow more in the next Common Agricultural Policy, CAP, but we are growing from a low base. Deputy Stanley asked about renewable energy. I would make two comments in reply....

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