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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: We have 15 minutes to go and four speakers remaining, including me. I will cut my time to a few minutes and I will give everyone a chance to get in. There are a couple of issues. I am glad of the comments about 100% mortgages. That needs to be put out there, although we need to look at some sort of support for those who have been paying higher rent and have been shown to be able to pay it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I would question that, from talking to people out there who cannot get money from the banks. They have significant capacity to do it and it is not happening.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: We have nine minutes left and three speakers indicating, namely, Deputies Ó Broin, Hearne and Gould, so they will get three minutes each.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I ask the witnesses to keep the answer tight. Time has gone over the three minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I want to give the other two members time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Challenges Relating to the Delivery of Housing: Discussion (Resumed) (27 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: That concludes our consideration and discussion. I thank the representatives – Dr. Kelly and Dr. Cassidy from the Central Bank and Dr. O’Toole, Dr. Slaymaker and Dr. Egan from the ESRI – for attending to give their insight and knowledge. The Central Bank and the ESRI were the two organisations to whose representatives we felt at our first meeting we wanted to speak...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: The witnesses are all very welcome. I think of the words "Groundhog Day". We are back here again after a couple of years. I was a member of the previous committee, along with Deputy Malcolm Byrne. Mr. Bakhurst has just made a comment about this never happening again. We were told a number of years ago that this would not happen again. It took a news agency and a letter of correspondence...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Yes, if Mr. Bakhurst will just let me finish for a second. Mr. Bakhurst made the comment that the audit and risk committee was aware of the write-down. A number of committee members who are in this room at present were at those previous meetings. We saw that RTÉ asked for significant funding from the Government to bail it out. It requested significant moneys yet no one in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: There are staff members present here today who were in senior roles in RTÉ during that time, such as the acting DG - the previous DG is not here - and the head of HR. Did they know about this while they were attending meetings of this committee and speaking to Members of the Oireachtas who asked questions of them? Two staff members are present. I will ask Mr. Lynch and Ms Cusack...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Was Ms Cusack aware of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: As head of HR, and bearing in mind that this was a system that was related to HR, Ms Cusack was not aware that this had happened. Who put together the tender for this IT system? Was it put together properly? Was the right ask put out there when it was being tendered for? Was Ms Cusack involved in it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Ms Cusack was aware of the tender being put together. Was the correct tender put out? Did it have the right specification for the job?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: It was the right specification for the job. Was the right supplier picked?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Was it properly project managed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I am sorry to interrupt, but I am caught for time. RTÉ got it wrong. People are responsible. The specification was not done properly, the right supplier was not picked and it was not project managed. That is why there is a deficit of €3.7 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Sorry, but I am just asking Ms Cusack specifically about this. The reality is that all three of these things were gotten wrong.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Has the Secretary General, as a departmental official, confidence in the governance and procedures in place at RTÉ, based on the fact that not one of the senior management team was aware of something that cost the taxpayer €3.7 million?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Is Mr. Ó Coigligh happy with the governance procedures now, based on the fact-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: On that, the DG mentioned the two previous CFOs and the fact they are not here. I will ask Ms Cusack, as head of HR, who project managed the project? Should there have been a reporting procedure back to her, as this was a HR project, to let her know the difficulties and the cost associated with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Ms Cusack would have been made aware that there were problems in it. There would have been an assumption that there were financial issues.

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