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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: : I will conclude at this point. I have a number of questions about the funding that was being provided to An Garda Síochána at Templemore through one of its entities from the farm – the rent that was being paid, which I think was €25,000. The Commissioner opened the door with regard to the fact that some of that money was being paid directly to the OPW. For...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: Can I ask one small question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: Will the Commissioner tell me whether it is within An Garda Síochána's Vote, budget or authority to bring in individuals if it cannot find or hire them for Mr. Kelly? Can it bring in personnel?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I think this might be one of those occasions where the Commissioner has to do that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I withdraw my request.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I shall wait.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: For what purpose are private sessions recorded?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: But they can be transcribed. If they are not available to the courts-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: Why are private sessions recorded?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I do not understand the Chairman’s point. The Comptroller and Auditor General has made the position very clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I am sorry, but I listened precisely to what the Comptroller and Auditor General said.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: That is not what the Comptroller and Auditor General said.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I would like to state my full agreement with the remarks of Deputy Cullinane. It is a rare thing. The issue that we face is a process issue. We need to determine what this process is going to be. More important, we need to determine what it will be from the professional end of the process in terms of investigating what precisely went on and the manner of the investigation. I would...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I want him to clarify his remark about a special investigation. I think that rather than saying he was not able to do such an investigation, he was inferring that it would take too long.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: Yes, that is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: It is a fact, Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I was going to say something similar to Deputy Connolly's remarks. She is completely correct. I appreciate the correction and clarification and the suggestion of putting it out publicly. In the terminology I used this morning, this has highlighted how charged this subject matter is and how quickly media outlets and, indeed, ourselves will seize upon issues that are liable to cause...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: I welcome our guests and thank them for their forbearance in this somewhat truncated appearance before the Committee of Public Accounts. I welcome the fact they have been given a clear audit opinion for 2015, with a number of highlighted items, which I would like to briefly touch upon. In one particular instance in Mr. Waters's opening statement, he said the Comptroller and Auditor General...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: What was the cumulative cost of the purchase, planning, the works and the payment of rent up to the point where the Department stopped paying?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed)
(11 May 2017)

Alan Farrell: Does the €3.9 million include legal costs and everything associated with Wolfe Tone Street, Dublin 1?

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