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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It is important to know because as time passes people are becoming more vulnerable.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am sorry, but I was actually asking what was the oldest application.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It is very important as we are looking at value for money from a limited fund. We are looking for effectiveness and to have things dealt with quickly. Of the 317 new cases, what is the oldest?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I agree totally with Ms Downes, but I am focusing on Caranua's effectiveness. I understand people need time and flexibility to a certain extent, but I have a difficulty with the Comptroller and Auditor General's insistence on looking at post-work payments, receipts and so on. Of course, flexibility is needed in that regard. However, it is a simple question. Of the 317 new cases, what is...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the range of payments to date?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the range of payments Caranua has made to each applicant? Some receive €1,000, while others receive €100,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I did not ask that figure. I asked for the range of payments.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The average payment is €13,500, but I asked Ms Downes for the range of payments.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am not talking about the cost but about the payments made to individuals, from the lowest to the highest. What was the highest payment made to one individual?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What was the lowest payment?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely, it should be a needs-based fund. That is why it was set up. Unfortunately, at some stage the board decided for practical reasons to cap the amounts of money, but it was done mid-term with little consultation. We have been through all of this before.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I do not see a difficulty at all in working with people. I see a difficulty in the administration of the fund as I have read all of the accounts and complaints. I am not putting the focus on the people who are accessing the fund, rather I am putting the focus on what is in place in terms of accountability. It seems that when the board was set up, it was obvious that there was a limited...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The flexibility came afterwards, after many complaints had been received.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is not my understanding from reading the reports of the appeals officer and the many representations we have received. The cap was introduced arbitrarily because the board realised it had a limited fund and it applied a limit. People were told, "You have got that amount. You cannot get any more." There were all sorts of problem, as Ms Downes knows. Letters were sent without...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Will that €8 million be for the 317 new applications, plus the repeat applications?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is happening in the wind-down? Is there a wind-down committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Who is on the wind-down committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They are all board members.

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