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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am glad he did. I have recognised that. I have read the minutes. I saw that it was discussed and that the board took it seriously. It was a very sensible thing to do, but it is not a good way in which to have to run an organisation. I am not getting a clear answer as to why the money was not paid over beforehand. In any case, that is fine. My questions to Ms Downes are not personal...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What period of overlap?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: So for two months, two CEOs, one acting and one not acting, were paid.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am not going into the personal details. I reassure Ms Downes of that. This arose previously. It is none of my business. What is my business is value for money. For a period of two months, two salaries were paid to two CEOs, one acting and one not acting, for various reasons.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I did not ask that question. I asked if two salaries were being paid. Perhaps Ms Downes might come back to me when the confusion has been clarified. It is a very specific question about an acting CEO and a non-acting CEO. I am not making any comment on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I want just a "Yes" or "No" answer that I require.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I want just a "Yes" or"No" answer as to whether two salaries were being paid for whatever reason. It is very simple. I am not going into the reasons. The board can come back before the end of the session to indicate whether two salaries were being paid. Mr. O'Callaghan might get that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Are there any board vacancies at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was there a new appointment?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How long has Mr. Fitzpatrick been in situ?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: He is very welcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was there a period of time with no financial director?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: After dealing with the board, I will move on to questions specifically relating to the accounts. The board is in a wind-down situation. I will come back to what that means in terms of accountability when I inquire about the accounts. Perhaps Mr. O'Callaghan might clarify in due course if there will be a board to come before us for the 2018 accounts and the 2019 accounts. How do we manage...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. O'Callaghan. I appreciate that. We might discuss it later, Chairman. We need a board so we have accountability to ask about those accounts. Perhaps that is something we can decide. Mr. O'Callaghan envisages the board being gone in 2020.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It was noted in the context of the accounts that it should have been a wonderful and positive news story that there was €110 million to give out. I will not go back over that matter because I am here to discuss the accounts. However, there have been many problems with the administration of the fund. Does Mr. O'Callaghan accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely, but this was under legislation from 2012 and the first payments were only made from January 2014 onwards. There were many difficulties in the administration. Mr. O'Callaghan accepted that previously.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely. I have no interest in personalising anything.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am looking at a board administering €110 million, which is a very positive news story, and how that came to pass. There were certainly major problems. Mr. O'Callaghan might not agree but he is agreeing there were certain problems.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Let me quote the Comptroller and Auditor General. The background to this, of course, concerned the previous redress board and all the money. I am subject to correction but I believe the estimated cost of the previous redress board and commission of investigation was €1.5 billion. I am sure the Comptroller and Auditor General produced many reports but I am referring to the one from...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am referring to the Comptroller and Auditor General's chapter on-----

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