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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I get that, so there was not one carried out.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Could I ask if the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Breslin has said that three times. I accept that, but what I am-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Yes, that is the third time Mr. Breslin has said that. For the reason he outlined, there was no cost-benefit analysis, because, as he stated, the decision was made to do it, but there still could have been a cost-benefit analysis of sorts in terms of the fundamentals of the cost and I want to get to that.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Before I get to that, I am sorry for interrupting, but could I ask whether the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform signed off on the agreement?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Did it sign off on it?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform sign off on it? Did the Secretary General of that Department play any role in signing off on this?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I know that. The national procurement agency is under that Department as well, and from other big projects where mistakes were made in the past, we know that the role of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is very important. All I am asking Mr. Breslin is whether that Department had a formal role in signing off on this process. If not, and it went straight to the Cabinet and it...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: So it did not.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: When Mr. Breslin was looking at this agreement, what percentage of capacity in private hospitals did he lock into the plan? What percentage capacity in private hospitals did he anticipate he would use over that three-month period?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: It was not all used, possibly less than half was used.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: In real time, is it correct to say that when Mr. Breslin was negotiating the deal it was on the basis that he anticipated using the full capacity in private hospitals?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: When Mr. Breslin was negotiating the deal, did he look at a like-for-like cost analysis of a bed, for example, in a public hospital and a bed in a private hospital? In terms of this particular deal that was negotiated, what was the average cost of a bed in a private hospital in the context of the deal which we now know will cost €300 million, and what was the average cost of a bed in...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: But Mr. Breslin was negotiating the deal.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I should point out to Mr. Breslin that on many occasions it was pointed out to him by all of the organisations that were here this morning and by people outside of this room as well that there was not capacity in the public system and that we needed more beds in the public system. The very fact that Mr. Breslin had to go to private hospitals is testimony to the fact that we did not have...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: But the Secretary General did not give me the costs. What was the cost per bed, in terms of this deal in private hospitals compared to what it is in the public system?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Use of Private Hospitals (Resumed) (2 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I accept what Mr. Breslin said that these were the only beds available and it was the obvious place to go for them. I am long enough around to know from my time as a member of the Committee of Public Accounts, and time spent looking at what is transparent, what should be accountable and what is value for money, that it is important to do a cost-benefit analysis and have the fundamentals of a...

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Workplace Relations Commission (3 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: 438. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the number of inspectors employed at the Workplace Relations Commission. [8695/20]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Workplace Relations Commission (3 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: 440. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation if WRC inspectors are carrying out on-site inspections during this time. [8697/20]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Workplace Relations Commission (3 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: 441. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the number of on-site inspections which have been carried out by the WRC since the Covid-19 restrictions were put in place. [8698/20]

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