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Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will suspend until 2.30 p.m. because the Dáil is voting. Actually, I am sorry, Mr. Farrell is indicating.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Farrell concerned that something might have been said?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The essence of today was to tease out matters. At the previous meeting, the phrase used was essentially "We bought it for nothing". No one present got that. That was the phrase that people believed could not be left to lie without the relevant details being teased out. We have done a bit of that today. I am being upfront. It was that phrase that prompted some of our questions. We...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I apologise to our witnesses for the late start this afternoon. The morning session took quite a bit of time, and then the voting session in the Dáil took much longer than expected. We will proceed with this afternoon's business. We will continue with our follow-up on the third level education sector. For this session, we are joined by Professor Brian Norton, Dr. Noel O'Connor, Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask Professor Norton to make a brief opening statement. This is for Dublin Institute of Technology, DIT, so I ask him to distinguish between the two organisations here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I want to confirm that we received it and the committee considered it this morning. If there is any confusion, that is regrettable, but we have the report.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Dr Murphy. The first speaker for this session is Deputy Catherine Murphy. She will be followed by Deputies Alan Kelly, Marc MacSharry, David Cullinane, and Mary Lou McDonald. The first speaker has 20 minutes, the second speaker has 15 minutes and everyone else has ten minutes. There will be a second chance to come in. It is the normal procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: When did the committee write the letter?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will check with the former committee. It might not have transferred to this committee since the election.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will move to Deputy MacSharry. Does Dr. Love wish to comment first?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: All of the documentation is available.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: That it is sent on to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Put it on the list for the work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: All I know is that the copy the committee received was heavily redacted. I myself saw the document this morning.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: For Mr. Gallagher's benefit, and probably the benefit of viewers, in relation to that particular issue, documents coming to the Committee of Public Accounts are not necessarily published. I can think of one quite recent one in relation to the HSE internal audit into Console. That entire document was presented to the committee. We decided to note it and not to publish it because it was not...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Cullinane's time is up but I will give him two or three more minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Professor Norton can come right back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think Dr. Love wants to come in here.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy McDonald.

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