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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: No. 46 is also correspondence from Mr. Daly, where he noted that the Department had established a working group on the nursing homes sector but the said that the decision to establish a group and exclude NHI "beggars belief, given that the sector provides care in a home". Mr. Daly, therefore, had outlined that issue right through the process. He wanted a working group in place, but his...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: It seems to me, reading all the correspondence, that this was Mr. Daly's organisation was crying out for help, almost daily, and not getting the appropriate responses. Is that a fair assessment?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: In Mr. Daly's opening statement, he stated he was "exasperated". That is a very strong word.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly referred to the sector needing a specific plan. That did not come until the end of March. Is that fair to say?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly also stated it was obvious that Covid-19 would have a disproportionate effect on older people and that the focus was almost completely on acute hospitals. A national strategy was required but it took a long time in terms of all of the correspondence to get that national strategy. Is that a fair point?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly reiterated in his opening statement that there was insufficient testing of residents and staff, that there was a mass shortfall of PPE and that providers had suppliers that they would utilise to source such equipment but they were informed of a global shortage. I noted in some of the correspondence, which we are only now getting an opportunity to comb through, that some nursing...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly took a decision early on. I appreciate that we can look back with the benefit of hindsight but in early March Nursing Homes Ireland took a decision to impose restrictions in regard to visitation. Is it not the case that NPHET met a week later and took a different approach? Mr. Daly mentioned in his opening statement that NPHET publicly challenged the decision that his organisation...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly used the words "publicly challenged". In other words, the outworking of the press statement that was issued at the time as a consequence of that meeting was that it publicly challenged the decision that his organisation made, which was to keep people safe.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly further mentioned in his opening statement that the National Treatment Purchase Fund, which is the authority responsible for the commissioning of nursing home care, fell silent as homes incurred considerable and responsible costs. The statement that the NTPF "fell silent" is a very strong one. In what area did it fall silent?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly also said - this is one of the most telling contributions of his opening statement - that key State organisations left the nursing home sector and its residents isolated in those early days and "the dismay will live forever with us." That is a very strong statement. It strikes me that Mr. Daly was very disappointed and angry with the State actors that they did not respond. Despite...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: What about Deputy O'Dowd's assertion? He gave a very robust defence of the Department. When Mr. Breslin was here last week I put questions to him on some of these issues and he said that there was guidance and a plan throughout February and March, contradicting much of what is stated in all of the correspondence and Mr. Daly's opening statement. How does Mr. Daly respond to the questions...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Did Mr. Daly feel let down?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: No, but on behalf of his members did he feel let down? This is about patients in nursing homes.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Daly feel those patients were let down?

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: It is not agreed. I wish to raise an issue regarding the technical motion on the Revised Estimates. My understanding is that is to be taken after-----

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: That is today. It is to be taken after the Taoiseach's questions. There is a fundamental problem here because there is a flaw in this process. These Revised Estimates have not yet been published. We, as a party, have sought a detailed briefing on them; we have not got one. If we hold off passing this motion until 2 o'clock, it will delay the publication of the Revised Estimates even...

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: While I am open to correction, I understand that this technical motion allowing for publication of the Estimate, which is to be taken without debate, will not be taken until after questions to the Taoiseach. I propose that we take it now, in order that we can allow the Estimate to be published with a proviso from the Taoiseach guaranteeing that there will be sufficient oral briefing for...

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Sorry, I need-----

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: Yes.

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 May 2020)

David Cullinane: My understanding is that the motion will allow for the Estimates to be published, so the longer we delay taking the motion, the longer it will take for the Estimates to be published.

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