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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Was it the Minister and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, as it was then?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: On what basis were they appointed? Was it just a ministerial decision and a political gift?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I was not here at the time. How were they made at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Ms Tallon for that clarification. I just find it odd that so many people on the board seemed to have so many professional interests in the work the authority was doing at the time. I also find it odd when we discuss conflicts of interest that it is just seen as a perception issue, a perceived conflict of interest rather than actual conflict of interest. That is still the language...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Of the main board?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I could not find that in the notes I was looking at. In January 2008, there was a problem with ongoing funding and in April that meant looking for further loans but Ms Moylan was not on the board at that time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I will not pursue that point. In May 2007, a complaint was made against the board to the Standards in Public Office, SIPO, Commission. Does Ms Moylan remember what that complaint was about?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: The complaint was made by Mr. Michael Smith and was addressed at the meeting on 11 June 2007 in which board members were circulated and informed of a letter sent on 9 June to SIPO in response to the allegations made by Mr. Smith. Does Ms Moylan recall what that was about?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: It would be interesting to try to find out what those complaints were about.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That sounds very relevant to what we are discussing today so if we could get that detailed information, it would be very relevant to our next meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Mr. McCarthy. Deputy Donohoe has already discussed some elements of the process but I have some additional questions. Did Mr. McNamara approach the authority or did Mr. Moloney approach him?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: So Mr. Moloney took the initiative. Was he mandated to do that by the board in advance? Was there a previous meeting where he was asked to look for people to enter into a joint bid with for this site?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Who sits on the council?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I can see the interest from the commercial, private side because if one goes in with a joint bid with the Dublin Docklands Development Authority for a site under its remit, one's bidding partner can fast-track planning so I can see the benefit from that side. I cannot see the benefit of getting involved like this from the authority's perspective. Was that issue discussed at the board...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: The authority was concerned about other people coming in and land banking this site - buying it and then not developing it - which would be of no use to the authority and what it was trying to achieve in the area.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: When did Mr. Moloney tell the board that Donatex had started talking to Anglo Irish Bank and Bank of Ireland. I think it was at the meeting of-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes, 24 October. There had been a meeting the night before on 23 October. Item 2.1 of the minutes of 24 October states that, "Opening the meeting, the Chairman drew attention to the fact that he and the Chief Executive had been advised by Mr. McNamara at 8.30pm the previous night that Mr. McNamara was in discussions with Bank of Ireland and Anglo Irish Banks in order to secure the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: So we have a situation where those who felt conflicted by the deal met the night before the board meeting where the board was informed to discuss that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Did that concern Ms Moylan?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Dublin Docklands Development Authority (Resumed) (2 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: However, not from the point of view of financing. This is the change. They thought Bank of Scotland was involved and then there was a change and discussions were being held with Bank of Ireland and Anglo Irish Bank. Mr. McNamara only told the chairman that the night before the board meeting. Was Ms Moylan concerned that the people with this interest, who could not stay in the room when it...