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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I thank the Minister. Everyone is now dealt with, unless some of the other members return. The Minister touched on how it is not all about money and expenditure. Does he look closely at outputs? Going back to the infrastructure investment theme and what is put in versus what you get back out, does he look at outputs? It is not just about money; the outputs are more important. We can get...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Moreover, the movement of things has slowed. We published the revised national planning framework in April. We are going to feed down population targets to the councils. It goes through this test and legal delays and it is all so slow. The councils are sitting there waiting for their numbers so they can redo their development plans. It is all bureaucracy and red tape. That is nothing to...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Of course. I am ready to finish the meeting, unless other members have anything else to say. That concludes this session. I thank both Ministers and their officials for attending the meeting today.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Business of Select Committee (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I thank the members. It is a great honour to be made Leas-Chathaoirleach. I even had the opportunity to sit in the Chair at the last meeting. I did not expect it to happen so quickly but I thank those who elected me and everyone here. I hope we all work well together.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Yes, and 2025 so far.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I thank the Chair. I thank the Minister and Minister of State for coming to the committee. I thank them for allowing me to ask technical questions about the Votes. I was unavoidably detained and could not make the first meeting; I apologise. Vote 11, operational services, is up 63% from €665,000 to €1,070,000. Is there any particular reason for that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Does that cover item 4, operational services supplies and sundry equipment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Also in Vote 11, subhead A5, the managed European development fund, went from €39 million in output in 2024 to a target of €67 million in 2025. It is a standout figure of approximately €30 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: It is mainly capital expenditure? It is quite a big number - there is a €28 million increase.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Will the Minister provide more details?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 12, is the increase in the appropriation-in-aid single pension figure from €562,000 to €690,000 credits back? That reduces costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 17, there is quite a significant decrease in the appropriation from €870,000 to €206,000. Appropriation-in-aid was €870,000 in 2024 and it is estimated at €206,000 in 2025. That seems a dramatic drop. The deduction is far less in 2025 than it was in 2024.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Will the Minister provide more detail about that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: The metrics are all percentages. I would like to see numbers rather than percentages for gender quotas, etc. In light of expenditure overruns in some State boards, would the Minister consider a metric for the number of people on State boards with a professional accounting qualification with a target of at least one?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 18, the shared services facility, the Minister spoke about improving efficiencies in shared services going forward, which is an ambition. I know how difficult it is to realise gains when shared services operations are being set up; I was involved in one years ago. Is there any evidence the operation of shared services has reduced costs or has it actually resulted in increased costs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I appreciate that integrating systems and streamlining payroll systems, centralising and having everyone follow the same rules is a good thing but often it can increase costs and the people who were meant to be replaced are never replaced. They are just left there and the payroll overhead increases. In Vote 19, there is an increase in costs from 2024 to 2025 from €14.5 million to...

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