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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We accept that the HSE has no option but to follow the legislation.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The figure has gone up by €400 million a year. I accept that it is in the tiny print, but can Mr. Dempsey comment on the issue?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Whose reserves?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I get that, but are we saying this is a liability? We have crossed over contingent assets before, but I always thought they were liabilities of the State. I know the figure, but is €1.9 billion the best figure we have. If it is not included, is it excluded from the national accounts in terms of the State's deficit? I presume it is. Is it off the State's balance sheet if it is off...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, please check it. Mr. Dempsey gets the point.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Dempsey in due course prepare an information note for the Committee of Public Accounts on the other contingent liabilities that are not shown in the accounts or financial statements? He mentioned pensions. They are probably all marked, but this is separate from pensions.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It could be printed in bold. I have really bad eyesight. I can only read that on a screen. I cannot read it here.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: True.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: A breakdown.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Ultimately, it is the HSE's liability.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is only the handling agent.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask the HSE to provide us with a summary of the cases but no details on any cases. Obviously the €1.9 billion is made up probably 1,000 cases. The HSE will be able to grade them.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The high one versus the medium one.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: To provide that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Give it to us in bands that make sense to us.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: What I find most distressing as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, and people will agree with me on this, is there is a figure of €2 billion that we now know, at the end of 2016, that is ultimately due. That includes the legal aspect. So there is €2 billion due to be paid. Most of it is for people who have suffered medical negligence cases. Is that correct?

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