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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: No, please, no. No. You have been afforded more time than any other member-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: -----on the committee today in regards to this engagement. Mr. O'Connor, Mr. Walsh, do you have anything further you'd like to add to that question? The question has been made, I'm not re-entering the question again.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Mr. O'Connor, do you have anything you'd like to add to it?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. I just want to return to two items and then I'm going to wrap up. Were there any ... and it comes back to your own evidence earlier today, Mr. O'Connor, in regard to the solvency of Anglo circaSeptember '08 and were there any discussions on solvency/insolvency in your meetings at that time?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. You've no recollection of any solvency being discussed.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. And would you have any views on whether the Irish State should have been engaged in the protection of insolvent banks?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. All right. I'm going to wrap things up. Mr. O'Connor, Mr. Walsh, in thanking you to be here today I'd like to invite you, if you have anything you want to say by closing remarks, additional comments and so forth.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. Mr. Walsh?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. With that said, I now propose that we conclude this session. In doing so, I'd like to thank Mr. Walsh and Mr. O'Connor again for their participation and engagement with the inquiry. Both witnesses are now formally excused and the meeting will suspend until 12 noon. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay, with that said, we'll commence with session two, is that agreed? Agreed ... with our public hearing with Mr. Alan Ahearne, former special adviser to the late Minister for Finance, Brian Lenihan, TD. The Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis is now resuming in public session. Can I ask members and those in the public Gallery to ensure that their mobile devices are switched off?...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Before hearing from the witness, I wish to advise the witness that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to this committee. If you're directed by the Chairman to cease giving evidence in relation to a particular matter and you continue to do so, you're entitled thereafter only to a qualified...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Once again, Mr. Ahearne, I welcome you before the committee this afternoon and if I can ask you to make your opening remarks to the committee, please.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Excellent. Thank you very much, Mr. Ahearne, and if I can now invite Deputy McGrath to open the questions, please. Deputy, you've 25 minutes.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Final question, Deputy.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Thank you. Deputy, I will bring you back in again. The next questioner is Deputy Eoghan Murphy. Deputy, 25 minutes.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: A supplementary on it and then I'll move on.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: I'll bring you back in again to wrap up, Deputy Murphy. If I can just deal with a few matters myself with you, Mr. Ahearne. In your statement, you say that the merger of Anglo and INBS and the transfer of deposits was a reasonable approach agreed with the troika. Then you, kind of, go on to say, "Ironically, I had identified as an option the transfer of deposits from Anglo to AIB in a...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: And maybe if you can outline what you would've seen as the potential benefits of your suggested option in 2009 of transferring the Anglo deposits to AIB?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Okay. Could I maybe invite you also to comment upon the suggestion by the Governor of the Central Bank, Patrick Honohan, that the merger of the EBS and AIB and INBS and Anglo was largely "cosmetic", would have been the words he would've used. In your opinion, was there any real value to be obtained from these mergers?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Ciarán Lynch: Maybe if I can just move on to Anglo specifically in terms of its long-term future in that regard? You recall in your statement that the Minister decided in autumn 2010 to wind down Anglo. Maybe if I could ask you what advice, if any, did you give the Minister to support the decision to wind down Anglo?

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