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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Apologies have been received from Deputies Lisa Chambers, Hildegarde Naughton and Jonathan O'Brien.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I welcome members once again and also viewers who may be watching our proceedings on Oireachtas TV. This is our second public session of the Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution. Under the terms of reference of the joint committee, it is obliged to report to the Dáil and the Seanad within three months of its first public meeting. Before I introduce our witnesses...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank Professor de Londras. We will now hear from Ms Mary O'Toole, senior counsel. Ms O'Toole will give a practical outline of how the courts approach constitutional issues. She can work off the base proposals already outlined by the previous speakers if she so wishes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: There were some technical difficulties at the outset and I will let Ms O'Toole have the benefit of the doubt. Ms O'Toole has three minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank all three witnesses for their presentations. Members will be aware we have strict speaking times and I hope they will stick to those times and ask questions that are succinct, precise and brief. I do not want to sound like a school teacher but if we spend more time listening to the witnesses who appear before us, we will benefit from getting more information and evidence. I will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank the Senator. The witnesses will be doing well to get in on all that in six and a half minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Senator Mullen has ten minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Thank you Senator Mullen. I invite Dr. Kenny to respond first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Thank you Dr. Kenny. Professor de Londras is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank Professor de Londras. Ms O'Toole is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: We will move on as we are over time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank Ms O’Toole. What I propose is that questioners be given up to three minutes in which to ask questions and that each of the responders have approximately one minute each in which to reply. I know that it sounds very tight, but it is the best we can do in the circumstances as we have so many members who want to ask questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: No, if someone is the only person responding to a question they have three minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: The Deputy is happy with that response so we will move to Deputy Catherine Murphy who has less than three minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Did Professor de Londras have any comment to make?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Is Deputy Catherine Murphy satisfied with the response?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: Does Professor de Londras want to come in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I thank Ms O'Toole. I will move on to the next questioner, who is Deputy Coppinger.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: We need to allow the questions to be answered because the Deputy has taken up a lot of the time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Constitutional Issues Arising from the Citizens Assembly Recommendations (27 Sep 2017)

Catherine Noone: I call Ms O'Toole this time as I do not want to always leave her until last.

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