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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Next are Deputy Clarke and Senator Pauline O'Reilly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Briefly, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Senator Maria Byrne is next. She will have three minutes rather than six because she is not a committee member.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: We will resume. On behalf of the committee I welcome our guests. From WorldSkills Ireland, Mr. Jamie Bermingham is a plumber and World Skills Ireland plumbing and heating champion 2022; and Mr. Martin Scattergood is a sheet metal work apprentice. In the Public Gallery we have Mr. Donal Keys, Mr. Fergus McGuinness and Mr. Eamonn McDonnell also from WorldSkills Ireland. The witnesses are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I have a couple of questions for the witnesses, the first of which are for Mr. Bermingham and Mr. Scattergood. In their views, what are the biggest challenges that are facing a student or a young person who is considering an apprenticeship? I can see that Mr. Bermingham questioned his confidence going back over the years, but he has gone on and on. I can see how confident they both are now...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: That was one of my questions, whether that is a factor. On the issue of getting a sponsor, did Mr. Bermingham find it difficult to get a sponsor or was he helped with that through the college? Did he have his sponsor before he went into the college?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Does Mr. Bermingham think it is more difficult to get a sponsor in areas like Dublin and in the bigger cities than it is out in the country?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Before I go to Mr. Scattergood, Mr. Bermingham mentioned that he would like to travelling. Is that to broaden his career prospects, or is it that he just enjoys travelling and he wants to go travelling?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Would you come back again? After travelling, would you like to return to Ireland? Will you see how you get on first?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: To add to that question, I congratulate all the people who have been involved in WorldSkills, who have been before the committee before. They do fantastic work in getting that competition up and running. It is fantastic for anybody to have it on his or her CV, and the witnesses have acknowledged that. Once you have it on your CV, and getting to Germany and so on, it makes a huge difference...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Everyone is remaining within their five minutes. We had a group of men in here and they rambled on for seven or eight minutes. I am not sure what that indicates. I invite Professor Venkat to make her opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I apologise that the witnesses for the second session will be coming into the committee room. People have been waiting outside for a considerable length of time. This committee session must be over by 1.30 p.m. as well. I thank the witnesses before us for attending. This discussion has been very productive and will be of great importance in terms of the committee's input on STEM in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I will go back to allow the witnesses who are late to read their opening statements and then we can return to where we were.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: This issue of stigma around apprenticeships has been discussed before here. I asked the two lads about their research and I will come back to them shortly. There is no doubt that there is a stigma. That is my own view and some of the witnesses who have been before the committee would say, and I have used the word, that apprenticeships are not sexy. However, I can say, once a person goes...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Fair play to you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I have just two questions for Mr. O'Connor and Mr. Carew. First, what inspired them to do the research they did? Second, on something the other lads raised, do they think, as students in second level education now, that there is a stigma around apprenticeships, and what advice would they give to young students considering apprenticeships, as the other lads said, to do one? If you want to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: The Future of STEM in Irish Education: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Apr 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I thank Mr. Bermingham, Mr. Scattergood, Mr. O'Connor and Mr. Carew for appearing before the committee. The voice of young people must be centre stage in all decisions taken in the education system, and this committee has made a virtue of bringing in people as young as 15 and 16 years of age to have their voices heard. It is very important. I congratulate Mr. Bermingham and Mr. Scattergood...

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